I am to propose PES.I used it for 3months.Got nothing out of it except painfull knees.Unless someone provides peer reviewed data about its effectiveness
Lol at peer reviewed data
I'm using OG Erase now and it seems to be working just fine for me, everyone has different experiences.
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Supplements are used to "supplement" that which you can not get in a normal diet. If you weren't getting any effects without the erase the erase wouldn't change that. Right now I'm cutting natty and have continually lost weight, now I'm adding in arimistane and natty test boosters to help push it over the edge. I will still be getting results, bare minimum what I got before I added it in, and the arimistane will only help, plus I love DAA lol
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I have used Erase and Erase Pro. 3 months on Erase Pro is too much IMO. Also, NO supplement will work if your diet and training is not geared towards your goals. Like, if you want to cut but you eat 4k cals a day no cardio then taking Erase Pro is pointless.
The problem is that 95% of the supplements being sold today have little or no in vivo testing. Peer review data is subjective by nature. Very few of the supplements that I have tried over the years (and they are countless) deliver as advertised and most don't deliver at all. I have had reasonably good results from most PH's. Fat loss products and many AI's are either poorly supported or underdosed. Many testosterone boosters will raise testosterone to some degree but usually not enough to result in muscular gains. Over the years, I have found a handful of products that work but the vast majority are bogus. I used to spend thusands of dollars a year on supplements, now I spend very little. However, I am forever hopeful.
Where are you BDCC you promised to defend PES with some hopefully unrefutable data/literature. Before you do please explain if you any association eith PESE
If you noticed sore knees you either were noticing the effects of an AI or you were spending too much time on your knees.
Did u lift at all while taking it?
What was your diet like?
Can we see your training and diet layout?
Did you stack any test boosting supplements while on it?
Do you regularly consume alcohol?
I said I would contribute, yes.
If you are looking for in vivo, double blind, crossover studies for all of the supplements you take you will be diappointed.
lol at asking me to declare my position with PES. I have worked for PES for several years and it is in my signature and noticeable in my profile picture.
The reason I said you are welcome to PM me and I didn't think you were going to get the answers you were looking for was because AM is an intelligent crowd. Consumers here know the level of research which goes into supplement releases and they know the level of data you are looking for simply isn't available for many supplements.
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Wow. This guy is dumber than I am haha
His post is like going into a biker bar a yelling "bikers are gay haha"
Why not zoidberg?
Like I said earlier, you CAN NOT out-supplement a crappy diet/training.