Potassium Nitrate - how long can you take this s*$t?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Id imagine 8 weeks would be the longest you would want to take it without a break. Maybe 12 at the longest.

    Taking to much may cause low blood pressure, other than that i dont see any other problems.
    What's giving you better "pumps"? This or TAA caps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Id imagine 8 weeks would be the longest you would want to take it without a break. Maybe 12 at the longest.
    Why?
    Quote Originally Posted by veaderko View Post
    I would agree with the 8 week recommendation.
    Why do you agree?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Why do you agree?
    I feel that for most supplements you can get "burned out" on them. Is this incorrect in thinking? I see as reading through what other people have said that yes this is in fact incorrect, but at the time when I agreed with 8 weeks, it is for that reason. To me it seems to be the "norm" or "standard" to cycle things for 8 weeks. But that is just my opinion on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veaderko View Post
    I feel that for most supplements you can get "burned out" on them. Is this incorrect in thinking? I see as reading through what other people have said that yes this is in fact incorrect, but at the time when I agreed with 8 weeks, it is for that reason. To me it seems to be the "norm" or "standard" to cycle things for 8 weeks. But that is just my opinion on it.
    Let me first preface my response to say (emphatically) that it is not my intent to offend you (or anyone) but to offer a more open minded, analytical and substantive perspective to just about everything you will hear (read) as hear-say on this board and every other out there. Although I am going to "quote" words and statements from your last post I am in no way looking to offend or attack you.

    Physiologically is there any adverse or ill effects to running this indefinitely? If so where is the substantive data to support it?
    Physiologically is there any beneficial or positive effect to running this indefinitely? If so where is the substantive data to support it?

    I "feel", "what other people say", "it seems" to be the "norm" or 'standard" to "cycle things for 8 weeks" without substantive data to support it does not make it fact and is perpetuating misinformation.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Been using creatine nitrate and bcaa nitrate for quite some time now(1+ years) regularly and still love every work out with them
    Actually its been longer than that since the first nitrate based product I used was ICE Plus

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  6. I think as long as you dose it correctly you can come off it at anytime... I used it for two months with no problems at all. I usually cycle on and off of it.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Blue baby syndrome bro... high nitrate content is a no-no for the babies. I know you know this but that's the syndrome name he is specifically talking about.

    Hmm.. I work in a Level 3B Neonatal ICU which is practically the highest level and have never in my life heard mention of "Blue Baby Syndrome." I'm wondering if it goes by something else unless I am having a massive brain fart. There are a plethora of conditions that can result in a blue baby aside from just acute hypoxia from respiratory origin so I am not sure of which condition this is specially referring to, but this is not a term referenced in NRP, Stable, or the Academy of Neonatal Nurses trainings which is the foundation of most NICU training and education; at least in my area.

    I'll have to ask tomorrow some of our NNP's about this; good info!

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  9. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Hmm.. I work in a Level 3B Neonatal ICU which is practically the highest level and have never in my life heard mention of "Blue Baby Syndrome." I'm wondering if it goes by something else unless I am having a massive brain fart. There are a plethora of conditions that can result in a blue baby aside from just acute hypoxia from respiratory origin so I am not sure of which condition this is specially referring to, but this is not a term referenced in NRP, Stable, or the Academy of Neonatal Nurses trainings which is the foundation of most NICU training and education; at least in my area.

    I'll have to ask tomorrow some of our NNP's about this; good info!

    Mike


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  10. Just finished a workout with White Flood reborn and iForce PN.. LAWWWD HAVE MERCY.

    Saturday is chest day and I'm gonna stack 1 scoop of hemavol with those 2.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Let me first preface my response to say (emphatically) that it is not my intent to offend you (or anyone) but to offer a more open minded, analytical and substantive perspective to just about everything you will hear (read) as hear-say on this board and every other out there. Although I am going to "quote" words and statements from your last post I am in no way looking to offend or attack you.

    Physiologically is there any adverse or ill effects to running this indefinitely? If so where is the substantive data to support it?
    Physiologically is there any beneficial or positive effect to running this indefinitely? If so where is the substantive data to support it?

    I "feel", "what other people say", "it seems" to be the "norm" or 'standard" to "cycle things for 8 weeks" without substantive data to support it does not make it fact and is perpetuating misinformation.
    Excellent post. Nothing is clear cut. Some supplements even show a "sensitizing" effect...the effects actually increase with time (melatonin, ECA). The devil is in the details.

    David, space out your BA dose. High bolus doses show increased urinary excretion of BA (bad) and histamine release (can impair breathing and cause tracheal constriction...mildly of course). With food, in spread doses, works best

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    spread it out.. problem solved
    Vitamin C should be taken immediately with nitrates

  13. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Let me first preface my response to say (emphatically) that it is not my intent to offend you (or anyone) but to offer a more open minded, analytical and substantive perspective to just about everything you will hear (read) as hear-say on this board and every other out there. Although I am going to "quote" words and statements from your last post I am in no way looking to offend or attack you.

    Physiologically is there any adverse or ill effects to running this indefinitely? If so where is the substantive data to support it?
    Physiologically is there any beneficial or positive effect to running this indefinitely? If so where is the substantive data to support it?

    I "feel", "what other people say", "it seems" to be the "norm" or 'standard" to "cycle things for 8 weeks" without substantive data to support it does not make it fact and is perpetuating misinformation.
    No offense taken. I appologize if it seemed that I was offended. It has been a very long day at work and just coming out of a show I havent been to the gym and slowly adding carbs back in.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Vitamin C should be taken immediately with nitrates
    I know that. I was referring to the remaining 1500 mg that the other poster said they take. Take 500 with the nitrates and the remaining spread out.. Vaughn was saying g that there are potential neg sides from mega dosing at once.

  15. I've been ingesting 1g of KNO3 almost daily for months now and continue to have great results.

  16. (6 caps Nutrigaurd / 500mg VC)
    I found after loading for a couple of weeks - that it is only needed on workout days (3-4 days per week). For two weeks, I used it everyday and then for 2 more weeks, I used it only on workout days. My body reacted better to using it only on workout days.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by bakerwil View Post
    (6 caps Nutrigaurd / 500mg VC)
    I found after loading for a couple of weeks - that it is only needed on workout days (3-4 days per week). For two weeks, I used it everyday and then for 2 more weeks, I used it only on workout days. My body reacted better to using it only on workout days.
    I wouldn't recommend going over 4 caps of that product.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by cjwav34 View Post
    I wouldn't recommend going over 4 caps of that product.
    Blasphemy!

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    Here ya go brother... if you want full text access hit me up tomo

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1638204/
    Oooohh.. Well if you would have said methemoglobinemia than i would have understood lol srs. Typically we call in erythrocyte or generalized reductase deficiency, or diseased m hemaglobin. We are typically drawing arterial gases on these babies often. I want to say if i recall correctly, one of the first measures we take is initiation of vitamin c prior to exchange transfusions which just flat out suck doing; we dont deal with this all to often though.

    The term blue baby is very misleading because these babies are usually gray, not blue. Blue blue blue babies are seen with emergent cardiac anomalies.

    Good info tho, makes sense now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by veaderko View Post
    No offense taken. I appologize if it seemed that I was offended. It has been a very long day at work and just coming out of a show I havent been to the gym and slowly adding carbs back in.
    No, it wasn't you. I too have days and try to be conscious of my tone.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Been so far ahead of the curve...

    Food grade KNO3.
    I take it with 300mg caffeine and in recent months have added 5 grams of beta-alanine and bumped the l-citrullne to 8 grams.
    You and I exchanged PM about this some time ago (thank you).

    Today is my first day using a protocol very similar to yours. I did not include the B-A, but added 800 mg of arginine.
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