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08-19-2013, 07:17 PM
"To your wife you should kiss try today"-Touey
Brotato's bark brings shakes to the pups in the yard
08-19-2013, 07:30 PM
Its not about being nicer, its just acknowledging that for the most part, we all got into this for the same reason (or slight variations). Most of the companies here don't have huge ad budgets. They don't blanket the magazines. They started from people working towards a goal...usually one guy, not out to "trick you" into buying something.
I just think we all have more in common that we think and I would rather new members feel welcomed and not afraid to ask something for fear they get ridiculed for not being up to date with the current literature. We need to mello out a bit and not think every company here is trying to suck the money out your wallet and take off running with it. I have talked to these people in the past 10 years and many are good people, trying to put out good products. Yes, there are bad apples, but most are not. I'm looking for a more positive, supportive and motivational membership. Its good for all of us.
08-19-2013, 07:36 PM
The reality is, there isn't a company out there that doesn't have questionable marketing. People take a leap of faith whether on the developer side or consumer side. Some more than others.
08-19-2013, 07:38 PM
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08-19-2013, 08:36 PM
08-19-2013, 08:37 PM
The supplement industry is also taking some heat too for spiked products and has recalls as well so I'm not sure what point you are trying to convey.
I think the negativity is deserved honestly. Companies are spending more money on marketing than ever and are constantly trying to one up each other and this is the root of the negativity. Companies are making more absurd claims than ever before and have practically no evidence to support their claims. People spend a lot of money thinking they will reap the benefits of the next great product and are constantly let down, not always but the majority of the time. Skepticism is necessary for growth and without it I would have blown way too much money on BS. Companies are making bolder claims that the supplements they sell can just not hold up to and people are getting discouraged which in turn breeds negativity. It isn't enough to stop people to keep looking for that magic pill but the smarter people on this board realize that. We are consuming things now which will impact our health now and in the future, sorry if I want a little evidence or science backing it, sorry if I'm cautiously optimistic, sorry I'm not ignorant enough to trust every word a salesmen spews from his mouth which is then relayed by reps.
08-19-2013, 08:38 PM
waiting to see this introductory price :P If its low enough I might try, need to be able to compare bio gro to something
Always willing to learn :D
08-19-2013, 08:49 PM
Admin, and some of us, referred to is not directly the skepticism (in the light of negativism, which it really isn't) but the negativism that has taken a dark cloud over AM where members are shunning one another, or acting like detectives to find who posted what, when or where or even why...I guess AM used to be more welcoming before, at least it was when I joined.
Now one can't see a simple question like :
"I'm taking , Creatine and BCAA's pre and post workout! But I loose muscle by the time i wake up, how much more glutamine and bcaas should I take!? I already take 10g of creatine!"
That instead of being nice enough and explaining why scientifically Glutamine is useless, pointless and a wallet-leaning supplement, in NICE and LAYMANS terms
they will shun him for using it , or for taking bcaa's of not a particular brand or dosage at the appropriate times...Hell even I made that mistake some months ago, but I remember my much older posts where I would go on to write like 3 parragrahps being nice and trying to explain and recommend something scientifically , empirically and realistically better...but now idk, it just feels different. I guess we should all remember we don't know it all, and we can always learn something new or be willing to help someone learn something new.
Which of us hasn't ever taken a supplement without any scientific backing or anything of the like , and still got benefits from it? Hell I know peeps that took from USP or anyone else and swear their test went up and aggression too without any bloods, but the motivational value of it, pushed them to go even harder, get stricter diets to make it worth the buy, and to achieve their goals. That's what I think admin mentioned before...I know when I took Glutamine a long time ago, I could swear I recovered faster. Even if I didn't, if it was placebo, did it not help? It did ! We should all remember we are not IFBB or USAPL pro's (well some here are USAPL or any other PL federation pro's hehe). And even if we were...we should help people and keep at it so they can reach any of us (IF WE WERE) and surpass us...that's what AM was , is and should always be about....
>SNS-Glycophase<Serious Nutrition Solutions Rep
08-19-2013, 08:55 PM
08-19-2013, 09:26 PM
What you describe isn't anything different than when PA and Bill L used to go at it on bb.com. What you have now is not owners going at it, but reps...
If you actually think its worse now than it was 5-10-15 years ago, then you weren't around. You just see some high profile cases and think thats the industry at large....and its not.
The reps will look back 5-10 years form now and realize how much time they spent fighting over.....supplements....and realize just how much energy they wasted.
08-19-2013, 09:36 PM
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08-19-2013, 11:14 PM
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
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08-19-2013, 11:45 PM
@Celorza, you compete USAPL? (I wonder mostly because you specifically mentioned USAPL)
I remember, back in the day, you had just started PLing but you don't seem to keep logs anymore so I don't know if you still do.
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