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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post

    Could you explain further for people with Crohn's disease please?
    In Crohn's disease, tight junctions are faulty or absent, resulting in flux of large molecules that normally aren't absorbed by enterocytes. This is not a good thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    In Crohn's disease, tight junctions are faulty or absent, resulting in flux of large molecules that normally aren't absorbed by enterocytes. This is not a good thing
    coop saves Americas some ten millions a year on rooting out some issues before heading on for the doctors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    coop saves Americas some ten millions a year on rooting out some issues before heading on for the doctors.
    No medical advice was given this day
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Amen admin. I can tell when you're off cycle because you're logical and loving
    I laughed.
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    @Celorza, you compete USAPL? (I wonder mostly because you specifically mentioned USAPL)

    I remember, back in the day, you had just started PLing but you don't seem to keep logs anymore so I don't know if you still do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Amen admin. I can tell when you're off cycle because you're logical and loving

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post

    Kids are humbling
    You recently had kids?

    For some reason, I always assumed you have had children for a good while....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    In Crohn's disease, tight junctions are faulty or absent, resulting in flux of large molecules that normally aren't absorbed by enterocytes. This is not a good thing


    Yes def not a good thing. I have Crohn's. lol. Any thoughts on what supps help with barrier function and mucosal integrity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    You recently had kids?

    For some reason, I always assumed you have had children for a good while....
    Yes. Two in last 4 years.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    coop saves Americas some ten millions a year on rooting out some issues before heading on for the doctors.


    Regardless of what coop says I still think people should find a reliable doc that they can go too. No offense coop but my gastroenterologist can stick his finger up my arse and you can't. Hahaha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    @Celorza, you compete USAPL? (I wonder mostly because you specifically mentioned USAPL)

    I remember, back in the day, you had just started PLing but you don't seem to keep logs anymore so I don't know if you still do.
    Maybe it's the way I mentioned it! It is my intention to go into it early next year. I have not kept logs, perhaps mistakenly, because I had surgery a while ago and couldn't train properly and lost a good deal of strength. Perhaps it's my shame for losing physique and strength goals, but @bdcc has mentioned that I do have to keep accountability and has been amazing in supporting me with motivation. I should start an accountability log hehe.

    But to directly answer it, no James, not yet I will however do everything I can to do so. Someone very dear to me passed away and I will dedicate any place I get (even if it's not a winning place) to him and his faith he had in me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post
    Regardless of what coop says I still think people should find a reliable doc that they can go too. No offense coop but my gastroenterologist can stick his finger up my arse and you can't. Hahaha.
    110%. I seriously (seriously) hope no one ever construes anything as medical advice over the internet. Without a patient history and physical exam (which can uncover 95% of diagnoses in primary care), we're just talking about pathophysiology in general terms (as I was with Crohn's).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Thanks, I try to humble people

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    Congrats @Admin, I'm sure they can be quite the handful lol.

    But, back to the topic at hand.


    I'm just gonna see what the logs say, if enough people notice something positive then it may be worth trying.

    I don't necessarily believe much of what I ever see in marketing, but I do trust (some) anecdotal feedback. Hell, like @Celorza said, even if its placebo all the way its still forward progress that couldn't have happened without the product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post
    Regardless of what coop says I still think people should find a reliable doc that they can go too. No offense coop but my gastroenterologist can stick his finger up my arse and you can't. Hahaha.
    I think he is kinda in it for the thrill of it brother...I had not known a gastro that liked sticking fingers up asses hahaha. A urologist however, yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post
    Regardless of what coop says I still think people should find a reliable doc that they can go too. No offense coop but my gastroenterologist can stick his finger up my arse and you can't. Hahaha.
    coop will not have a responding on that one to bet 10 on 1 for
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post

    Maybe it's the way I mentioned it! It is my intention to go into it early next year. I have not kept logs, perhaps mistakenly, because I had surgery a while ago and couldn't train properly and lost a good deal of strength. Perhaps it's my shame for losing physique and strength goals, but @bdcc has mentioned that I do have to keep accountability and has been amazing in supporting me with motivation. I should start an accountability log hehe.

    But to directly answer it, no James, not yet I will however do everything I can to do so. Someone very dear to me passed away and I will dedicate any place I get (even if it's not a winning place) to him and his faith he had in me.
    Looked into any other feds?

    I know you live in Texas (west, maybe?). But there are a lot more PLers now than there used to be and it would probably be worth logging your training to help get training/form critiques to get better.

    I keep one here, and am honestly surprised you haven't joined in since coming back (even if we do squabble occasionally.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Looked into any other feds?

    I know you live in Texas (west, maybe?). But there are a lot more PLers now than there used to be and it would probably be worth logging your training to help get training/form critiques to get better.

    I keep one here, and am honestly surprised you haven't joined in since coming back (even if we do squabble occasionally.)
    I have the will to do it...I just hope people don't laugh a bit hehe...granted I deserve it for how I acted and what not, but damn :/ Lost around 150lbs on my total. Gotta keep pushing! I'll look for yours so I can learn a bit more .

    I had been doing Conjugated Periodization according to raw needs and my own personal experience to what I respond best (with Rodja's advice and help). Lately I see a lot of people tackling the Cube method, could be something I look into too!

    Back on topic, any of the reps or heads of MAN have already tried it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post
    Yes def not a good thing. I have Crohn's. lol. Any thoughts on what supps help with barrier function and mucosal integrity?
    I know everyone is on the joke making but serious people may need to some help, look into some researching up; Renew Life, hope all goes well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post

    I think he is kinda in it for the thrill of it brother...I had not known a gastro that liked sticking fingers up asses hahaha. A urologist however, yeah.


    Anytime you have blood in your stool it can be common practice, or they can check your prostate that way, search for fistula's etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post

    I know everyone is on the joke making but serious people may need to some help, look into some researching up; Renew Life, hope all goes well.


    Will do. Back to the thread now. Ill also be following logs and decide from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwork25 View Post

    Anytime you have blood in your stool it can be common practice, or they can check your prostate that way, search for fistula's etc etc.
    I knew Urologists are the ones that poke Uranus! but then again it's possible too for a gastrointestinterologist to check your prostate
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    It's hard not to be negative when companies make laughably contradictory statements like this in the same write-up:

    Quote Originally Posted by PF3 write-up
    So, under immense pressure, I’ve decided to do a micro run of my protein powder, which I’m calling MAN Sports Pure PF3, and only release it on the Internet for now.
    Quote Originally Posted by PF3 write-up
    Called Pure PF3, this protein is manufactured and processed in a cutting-edge, state-of-the-art $25 million facility that doesn’t produce anything other than Pure PF3.
    or when the write up pulls images like:



    From entirely unrelated CANCER studies that have absolutely nothing to do with oral consumption

    Or, when there's gems like this made as claims:

    Quote Originally Posted by write-up
    The super heavy molecular weight acts as a vacuum shuttling nutrients immediately to the bottom of your stomach and loading nutrients extremely quickly through the intestinal wall.
    --

    Am I really being unfairly negative about things like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Am I really being unfairly negative about things like this?
    lol for most the peoples would preferring some bruce willis out on the die hard for them then the De__eB
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Never mind, it's the same spiel as Bio-gro...active IGF-1 and other growth factors and peptides. But these peptides all get hydrolyzed in the gut and are too large for jejunel transporters, so most of it will be absorbed and broken down into...2.6g of amino acids. The exceptions are neonates, people with Crohn's disease, and marathon runners, all of which have either leaky guts or severe immunological deficits
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post

    Yes. Two in last 4 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    Of course it is but I also remember healthy skepticism about some of the most popular staples that sell well today. I'm just getting a little tired of some of the pessimistic and accusatory attitudes lately. Its not one person, and I don't think its intentional, but back when this place started way back when most of you weren't here, we were much more supportive of each other. And this doesn't have to do with any product...I have a tough time following whats new and good these days.

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    So, how would you guys log PF3? What observations would you like to hear about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    So, how would you guys log PF3? What observations would you like to hear about?
    I personally would be looking forward to people's findings in regards to recovery. IMHO, strength and mass gains are mostly related to training and diet so in products such as this, I restrain my expectations :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    So, how would you guys log PF3? What observations would you like to hear about?
    I believe the write up mentions people were noticing a big difference in physique and size?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    I personally would be looking forward to people's findings in regards to recovery. IMHO, strength and mass gains are mostly related to training and diet so in products such as this, I restrain my expectations :P
    I agree. Dosing variations, texture, taste, endurance, recovery....
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    So anybody with some input on why for Bio-Gro they are bulletpointing the low molecular weight as a positive (I'm guessing that helps the peptides bypass digestion and from being broken down so that it can get into your bloodstream) whilst PF3 is highlighting the high molecular weight (supposedly helping the actives settle in further down in the GI taking along anything that happens to attach itself to them I am guessing).

    So for Bio-Gro the idea I'm getting from their explanation is the low molecular weight prevents the breakdown of the peptides and thus helps with absorption. So if this is true, then how can PF3's claims be true whilst still allowing it to be effective? One product doesn't want the actives to hit too far down in the GI to prevent breakdown whilst the other seemingly wants it to hit further down in the GI which if Bio-Gro's point is true, then that would mean the peptides for PF3 would be broken down and hinder absorption.

    Very curious about these two seemingly contradicting bulletpoints/highlights for the two different products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post

    I agree. Dosing variations, texture, taste, endurance, recovery....
    I can't wait to get my tub to see how the results are!
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    Yeah I'm pretty excited to see how it treats me
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    Whats the deal man was offering? Anybody? I just started biogro day 2 and so far so good my chest was sore from a past workout and it quickly when away. Wish I had better experience with it cause I just found a great deal on it 50% off 18 a tub. Im thinking about buy a bunch
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    Ok I bought biogro 8 tub for 139 shipped hope it works lol
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