Senator calls for regulation in wake of USA today story

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Dendrobex people, Dendrobex :P
    Dendrobex is just one companies proprietary tradename for dendrobium. Not sure what your point is?
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Dendrobex is just one companies proprietary tradename for dendrobium. Not sure what your point is?
    Was just poking fun at it. Not claiming anything, heck, I still use Craze Used it this morning actually.
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  3. I wish the FDA would give an equal sh!t about stuff that actually kills people like cigarettes
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by TheSwanks View Post
    I wish the FDA would give an equal sh!t about stuff that actually kills people like cigarettes
    This

  5. This lady(Allison Young) PM'd me to interview about this story(she asked me via PM from another site). I told her if its a supplement bashing article, I have no interest. She never really did say what it was going to be about, but she gave me her email address and wanted me to give her my phone # and what was the best time to reach me, I never did.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post

    This
    I think you and swanks are missing the point. The do care as much about cigarettes...hence the numerous warnings on the label. There isn't an eth warning on the craze label...or even a mention of it being in there for that matter. That is the major problem.

    If it was on there with warnings and dosage I personally wouldn't give a ****. I think people can take what ever the **** they want, including cigarettes.
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  7. i think people should be allowed to use meth, cocaine, heroin, etc if they so desire as well. eliminate the black market and tax the hell out of it. use the tax money for drug abuse treatment and education.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post

    If it was on there with warnings and dosage I personally wouldn't give a ****. I think people can take what ever the **** they want, including cigarettes.
    This^^^

    BUT that's not what they do with supplements. They either a) ban them or b) ban them from OTC purchased and only allow pharmaceutical companies to sell them.

    Don't let the fda fool you into thinking they actually give a sh!t about your wellbeing. Lol honestly
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by TheSwanks View Post

    This^^^

    BUT that's not what they do with supplements. They either a) ban them or b) ban them from OTC purchased and only allow pharmaceutical companies to sell them.

    Don't let the fda fool you into thinking they actually give a sh!t about your wellbeing. Lol honestly
    I do agree...they do not truly care, and I am not sure I want them to. I'm like ghandi.
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  10. This all comes back to the core of the issue now doesn't it? If big players in the industry can't be trusted enough to either put out honest labels or at least do more thorough QC (not saying that this is the case with the majority, but even just one big player getting caught with this problem and which then leads to big media field day, that's a big issue) and self regulation ends up being mostly reactive rather than proactive, what is the solution to the problem? If the answer is to have FDA regulate and govern more diligently, that creates the problem of getting products to market as well as pricing concerns. If the answer is to have tighter self regulation, which entity is going to be responsible for taking on the position?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    This all comes back to the core of the issue now doesn't it? If big players in the industry can't be trusted enough to either put out honest labels or at least do more thorough QC (not saying that this is the case with the majority, but even just one big player getting caught with this problem and which then leads to big media field day, that's a big issue) and self regulation ends up being mostly reactive rather than proactive, what is the solution to the problem? If the answer is to have FDA regulate and govern more diligently, that creates the problem of getting products to market as well as pricing concerns. If the answer is to have tighter self regulation, which entity is going to be responsible for taking on the position?
    The answer is a bigger penalty.

    Think SMU college football penalty in the 1980's big.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    The answer is a bigger penalty.

    Think SMU college football penalty in the 1980's big.
    One would think that bigger penalties would motivate better practices but there is the issue of the FDA actually having a pretty good amount of power as it is but the problem being that they do not have the resources for which they can carry out acting on the power they have.

    Chicken and the egg dilemma?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    One would think that bigger penalties would motivate better practices but there is the issue of the FDA actually having a pretty good amount of power as it is but the problem being that they do not have the resources for which they can carry out acting on the power they have.

    Chicken and the egg dilemma?
    The FDA has every bit of legal authority necessary, but to fully implement that authority would cosr many many millions. And spending that much money regulating an industry most people see as unnecessary instead of just dropping the hammer on them is not something that seems likely.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    The FDA has every bit of legal authority necessary, but to fully implement that authority would cosr many many millions. And spending that much money regulating an industry most people see as unnecessary instead of just dropping the hammer on them is not something that seems likely.
    How much do you estimate it cost Ron Kramer to get his Craze independently tested? Think of that amount for every batch of every product. Daunting number I'm sure.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    How much do you estimate it cost Ron Kramer to get his Craze independently tested? Think of that amount for every batch of every product. Daunting number I'm sure.
    That amount is substantially less for repeat testing, from inside a company, with known identities and quantities.

    If you're a manufacturer and you say 'Here's exactly what's supposed to be in this product, the exact quantities, and what specific compounds we're standardizing for' that's a lot easier and cheaper to do than 'Here's a product, and a proprietary blended label, can you figure out what's inside it'

    Companies are already supposed to be doing batch testing of everything they make. That's the law.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    That amount is substantially less for repeat testing, from inside a company, with known identities and quantities.

    If you're a manufacturer and you say 'Here's exactly what's supposed to be in this product, the exact quantities, and what specific compounds we're standardizing for' that's a lot easier and cheaper to do than 'Here's a product, and a proprietary blended label, can you figure out what's inside it'

    Companies are already supposed to be doing batch testing of everything they make. That's the law.
    Which it should be the law, but if the FDA does step in, I was insinuating it would be real expensive (like you mentioned in the bolded).

  17. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Which it should be the law, but if the FDA does step in, I was insinuating it would be real expensive (like you mentioned in the bolded).
    Yeah, but if the FDA puts that burden on the company and uses existing regulatory authority to say 'batch test your **** or we're putting an injunction on your sales', then companies can do it a lot cheaper than the FDA can.

    The FDA also doesn't want to get into testing every product, because then they're on the legal hook for saying 'yes this product contains what it says on the label'
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post

    Yeah, but if the FDA puts that burden on the company and uses existing regulatory authority to say 'batch test your **** or we're putting an injunction on your sales', then companies can do it a lot cheaper than the FDA can.

    The FDA also doesn't want to get into testing every product, because then they're on the legal hook for saying 'yes this product contains what it says on the label'
    Which is why they'll move everything to pharma because the regulations and enforcement infrastructure are already there.

    I work around fda regs daily at my job. They exist solely as a source of fee and penalty revenue for the government. They do very little that can be truly characterized as action on behalf of the common good for the public.

    Believe me.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by TheSwanks View Post

    Which is why they'll move everything to pharma because the regulations and enforcement infrastructure are already there.

    ....

    Believe me.
    bingo.

    follow the money trail.

    big pharma wants you to go to it for everything, including fish oil and vitamin c.
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