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    Matt Cahill/DS just made the front page of USA Today.


    And I don't think he'll like what they have to say.



    Sports supplement designer has history of risky products



    This publicity is not what the industry needs...

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    lol
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    This is why we cant have nice things, this ass hat is just going to bring down more Fed control of supplements due to his dumb move...The damn war on drugs is about to include supplements due to people like this.
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    Also, I had heard nothing about him being charged with a felony over ATD last year?

    I wonder if they'll go after any of the other company owners that sold ATD as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Also, I had heard nothing about him being charged with a felony over ATD last year?

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    Just read the whole thing and man...why the hell do people so vehemently defend him?

    I know this isn't all new or anything, but when it is all complied it looks horrible.

    For the record I understand some of those cases are likely human error just as with the DMAA cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtinsideout View Post
    So he busted open a book about steroids, saw a chemical name, called China, created superdrol... Profit... This guy is crazy lol.
    That's pretty much how they were all done (designer steroids).
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Just read the whole thing and man...why the hell do people so vehemently defend him?

    I know this isn't all new or anything, but when it is all complied it looks horrible.

    For the record I understand some of those cases are likely human error just as with the DMAA cases.
    Because they love the product. If it wasn't so well loved by many, it would have been gone awhile ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Just read the whole thing and man...why the hell do people so vehemently defend him?

    I know this isn't all new or anything, but when it is all complied it looks horrible.

    For the record I understand some of those cases are likely human error just as with the DMAA cases.
    Him and DS need to be wiped from the industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel0022 View Post

    Him and DS need to be wiped from the industry.
    Will probably never happen. When craze first came under scrutiny people did back flips to defend ds and still do today. You would think the man has done enough to recieve a ban from the supp industry
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    wow, what a hatchet job. reminds me of the hatchet job they did on pa when he was sent to prison. this is being driven by thermolife and ron kramer. his record is much more impressive. deeb is just pushing what he is told to push.

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    who? RK ?
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    yeah. you can see him talking about it here. they brag about how they can spread the news as much as they can.

    http://www.thermolife.com/forum/t2446-72/
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    wow, what a hatchet job. reminds me of the hatchet job they did on pa when he was sent to prison. this is being driven by thermolife and ron kramer. his record is much more impressive. deeb is just pushing what he is told to push.

    Having an extensive criminal record

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    Working with a known scammer

    Destroying your competitors property, threatening them with physical harm

    Being charged with Sexual abuse + witness tampering + assault

    Fifty pages of police incident reports

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    Is there anything about selling harmful supplements? Or knowingly putting peoples health at risks?

    I read through that, I could really give two ****s if kramer got caught with weed or ran a stop sign.

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    I'd say the USA Today story has far broader reach than discussion about the USA Today story on various forums. Given that it was front and center on the cover of today's issue of the paper....

    The point is, this is hugely bad press for the industry, and just provides stronger impetus for the FDA to push for further regulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel0022 View Post
    Is there anything about selling harmful supplements? Or knowingly putting peoples health at risks?

    I read through that, I could really give two ****s if kramer got caught with weed or ran a stop sign.

    Stay on topic
    no, just selling harmful steroids. not to sure, but i don't think the manufacturing process of bathtub steroid dealers is up to par. but maybe you will give him a pass for that.

    weed or stop sign. more like, steroid distribution and assault. did you even read any of what is posted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    I'd say the USA Today story has far broader reach than discussion about the USA Today story on various forums. Given that it was front and center on the cover of today's issue of the paper....

    The point is, this is hugely bad press for the industry, and just provides stronger impetus for the FDA to push for further regulation.
    deeb, stop pretending you give a **** about the supp industry. you are just posting what you are told to post by kramer and his pals. everyone on this forum can see your agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    no, just selling harmful steroids. not to sure, but i don't think the manufacturing process of bathtub steroid dealers is up to par. but maybe you will give him a pass for that.

    weed or stop sign. more like, steroid distribution and assault. did you even read any of what is posted?

    I don't care about assault or if he sold steroids to willing buyers. The majority of charges you posted were for ****ing local violations.

    Are you not following right now? He is not spiking products with possibly harmful ingredients. Wanna pull OJ's credentials in this thread too? Cause apparently we like to drag irrelevance into arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    deeb, stop pretending you give a **** about the supp industry. you are just posting what you are told to post by kramer and his pals. everyone on this forum can see your agenda.
    Honestly I could not care less if everyone who posted here worked for Kramer, either Matt Cahill purposefully added a meth analog and purposefully mislabeled it taking away peoples right to choose to use this chemical or he didn't... that is the only question that matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    Honestly I could not care less if everyone who posted here worked for Kramer, either Matt Cahill purposefully added a meth analog and purposefully mislabeled it taking away peoples right to choose to use this chemical or he didn't... that is the only question that matters.

    and according to the lawsuit that was brought against him in cali and numerous testing, he hasn't. only the testing that ron kramer has done said he has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post

    and according to the lawsuit that was brought against him in cali and numerous testing, he hasn't. only the testing that ron kramer has done said he has.
    6 posts. Obvious agenda
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    That makes sense ??

    Im gonna take a dive here and say this new account is either Matt, Andy, Or Kerplunk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel0022 View Post
    I don't care about assault or if he sold steroids to willing buyers. The majority of charges you posted were for ****ing local violations.Are you not following right now? He is not spiking products with possibly harmful ingredients. Wanna pull OJ's credentials in this thread too? Cause apparently we like to drag irrelevance into arguments.
    yeah, i'm sure willing buyers wanted their illegal test mixed in a bathtub. you really are a moron.last time i checked, ds has won a lawsuit claiming they spiked their product and have tested every batch. only batches ron kramer tested said there was something in there, but hey thats not shady at all. keep following the sheep you moron.if you actually took the time to read you might find that out.
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    How long until its pulled from bb.com? Even though those fools have been deleting this stuff like there's no tomorrow
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    and according to the lawsuit that was brought against him in cali and numerous testing, he hasn't. only the testing that ron kramer has done said he has.
    What are you talking about I have seen more then Kramer's lab work come back positive for this chemical? The only real question remaining is if he knew it was in there or not. It may only be in some batches....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    6 posts. Obvious agenda
    me? against ron kramer and thermolife? guilty as charged.ron has made many enemies with his bs.google "thermolife lawsuits"hey bro's, thank ron kramer for increasing the cost of every supplement out there. way to go!
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    Read the article and the wada supplement list and all this does is make you think of “WTF you are ingesting most of the time”. You can’t really trust anybody because everybody is just after money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    yeah, i'm sure willing buyers wanted their illegal test mixed in a bathtub. you really are a moron.last time i checked, ds has won a lawsuit claiming they spiked their product and have tested every batch. only batches ron kramer tested said there was something in there, but hey thats not shady at all. keep following the sheep you moron.if you actually took the time to read you might find that out.
    Who cares, he didn't spike c-bol with it. PA also stated he will be doing some testing, so we wait.

    Last time I checked, Matt has been convicted of doing this before. Quit hopping on DS' nuts and being close minded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    What are you talking about I have seen more then Kramer's lab work come back positive for this chemical? The only real question remaining is if he knew it was in there or not. It may only be in some batches....

    really? where? post tests that show meth analog in which kramer did not fund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hmmoreno View Post
    Read the article and the wada supplement list and all this does is make you think of “WTF you are ingesting most of the time”. You can’t really trust anybody because everybody is just after money.
    So don’t accuse or defend and just OPEN YOUR EYES.

    wada did not have the correct reference standard and admitted such. pa admitted that as well. its a usa today article. its there to make it sound dramatic, not report the facts.
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    This whole discussion is Craze-y.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel0022 View Post
    Who cares, he didn't spike c-bol with it. PA also stated he will be doing some testing, so we wait.

    Last time I checked, Matt has been convicted of doing this before. Quit hopping on DS' nuts and being close minded.
    yeah, spiking it with soap residue and hair is much better.

    no, you're wrong. matt was not convicted of this. quit sucking ron's **** and go back to fist pumping you idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    wada did not have the correct reference standard and admitted such. pa admitted that as well. its a usa today article. its there to make it sound dramatic, not report the facts.
    It doesn't matter, cause all about profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    yeah, spiking it with soap residue and hair is much better.

    no, you're wrong. matt was not convicted of this. quit sucking ron's **** and go back to fist pumping you idiot.
    D.N.P, my mouth got washed with soap when I was a child. Im still here. And where do you thing BCAA's come from, come on man. You can't be serious

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    kramer also tested and stated gaspari had the same thing. well, guess what. bb.com just put it back in there store and considering bb.com has to go through much more extensive testing considering their fda troubles then either bb.com is selling eth or kramers tests are bs.

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    Craze is okay bc RK is a bad man.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel0022 View Post
    D.N.P

    Fist pumping? It's all farmland around here
    yes, selling it directly. not spiking it. same thing kramer was arrested for, selling illegal drugs.

    try to follow along now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Craze is okay bc RK is a bad man.


    Yep, makes sense to me.
    yep. same guy that said detonate was spiked. oh wait, bb.com had it tested and put it back on their shelves.
  

  
 

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