Matt Cahill/DS just made the front page of USA Today.

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  1. How long until its pulled from bb.com? Even though those fools have been deleting this stuff like there's no tomorrow
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    and according to the lawsuit that was brought against him in cali and numerous testing, he hasn't. only the testing that ron kramer has done said he has.
    What are you talking about I have seen more then Kramer's lab work come back positive for this chemical? The only real question remaining is if he knew it was in there or not. It may only be in some batches....
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    6 posts. Obvious agenda
    me? against ron kramer and thermolife? guilty as charged.ron has made many enemies with his bs.google "thermolife lawsuits"hey bro's, thank ron kramer for increasing the cost of every supplement out there. way to go!

  4. Read the article and the wada supplement list and all this does is make you think of “WTF you are ingesting most of the time”. You can’t really trust anybody because everybody is just after money.
    So don’t accuse or defend and just OPEN YOUR EYES.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    yeah, i'm sure willing buyers wanted their illegal test mixed in a bathtub. you really are a moron.last time i checked, ds has won a lawsuit claiming they spiked their product and have tested every batch. only batches ron kramer tested said there was something in there, but hey thats not shady at all. keep following the sheep you moron.if you actually took the time to read you might find that out.
    Who cares, he didn't spike c-bol with it. PA also stated he will be doing some testing, so we wait.

    Last time I checked, Matt has been convicted of doing this before. Quit hopping on DS' nuts and being close minded.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    What are you talking about I have seen more then Kramer's lab work come back positive for this chemical? The only real question remaining is if he knew it was in there or not. It may only be in some batches....

    really? where? post tests that show meth analog in which kramer did not fund.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by hmmoreno View Post
    Read the article and the wada supplement list and all this does is make you think of “WTF you are ingesting most of the time”. You can’t really trust anybody because everybody is just after money.
    So don’t accuse or defend and just OPEN YOUR EYES.

    wada did not have the correct reference standard and admitted such. pa admitted that as well. its a usa today article. its there to make it sound dramatic, not report the facts.

  8. This whole discussion is Craze-y.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Diesel0022 View Post
    Who cares, he didn't spike c-bol with it. PA also stated he will be doing some testing, so we wait.

    Last time I checked, Matt has been convicted of doing this before. Quit hopping on DS' nuts and being close minded.
    yeah, spiking it with soap residue and hair is much better.

    no, you're wrong. matt was not convicted of this. quit sucking ron's **** and go back to fist pumping you idiot.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    wada did not have the correct reference standard and admitted such. pa admitted that as well. its a usa today article. its there to make it sound dramatic, not report the facts.
    It doesn't matter, cause all about profit.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    yeah, spiking it with soap residue and hair is much better.

    no, you're wrong. matt was not convicted of this. quit sucking ron's **** and go back to fist pumping you idiot.
    D.N.P, my mouth got washed with soap when I was a child. Im still here. And where do you thing BCAA's come from, come on man. You can't be serious

    Fist pumping? It's all farmland around here
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  12. kramer also tested and stated gaspari had the same thing. well, guess what. bb.com just put it back in there store and considering bb.com has to go through much more extensive testing considering their fda troubles then either bb.com is selling eth or kramers tests are bs.

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  13. Craze is okay bc RK is a bad man.


    Yep, makes sense to me.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Diesel0022 View Post
    D.N.P

    Fist pumping? It's all farmland around here
    yes, selling it directly. not spiking it. same thing kramer was arrested for, selling illegal drugs.

    try to follow along now.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Craze is okay bc RK is a bad man.


    Yep, makes sense to me.
    yep. same guy that said detonate was spiked. oh wait, bb.com had it tested and put it back on their shelves.

  16. goody a new scandal for Obama to appoint a new supplement czar. the industry will now be part of the unaffordable health care act.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    yes, selling it directly. not spiking it. same thing kramer was arrested for, selling illegal drugs.

    try to follow along now.
    At least Kramers buyers knew what they were getting.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Diesel0022 View Post
    At least Kramers buyers knew what they were getting.
    and so do people who buy craze confirmed by their own batch testing. but kramer said its tainted, so idiots like you believe him.


    only an idiot form jersey would say mixing illegal drugs in a bathtub is ok. with people like you, its no wonder these people are rich. you are so easily fooled.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    deeb, stop pretending you give a **** about the supp industry. you are just posting what you are told to post by kramer and his pals. everyone on this forum can see your agenda.
    You're absolutely right I have an agenda.

    I have an agenda against ****ty supplement industry practices.
    I have an agenda against ****ty supplements.
    I have an agenda in favor of companies that put out scientifically sound products.

    Kramer has his own crappy products like E-bol. And has done his share of ridiculous things.
    Just because people agree with him on something in no way makes them a pawn to some great conspiracy.

    Why don't you stop posting under sockpuppets?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    and so do people who buy craze confirmed by their own batch testing. but kramer said its tainted, so idiots like you believe him.


    only an idiot form jersey would say mixing illegal drugs in a bathtub is ok. with people like you, its no wonder these people are rich. you are so easily fooled.
    And the ASADA.
    And the USADA.
    And the WADF.

    I'm sure they're all pawns to Kramer too right?

  21. lmfao

    Quote Originally Posted by smokey2345 View Post
    and so do people who buy craze confirmed by their own batch testing. but kramer said its tainted, so idiots like you believe him.


    only an idiot form jersey would say mixing illegal drugs in a bathtub is ok. with people like you, its no wonder these people are rich. you are so easily fooled.
    I don't believe anyone, Im still on the fence

    I don't make anyone rich, only purchases Ive made in the past 6 months has been quest bars. I don't give into the supplement bull****.
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  22. Sooo anyone else have the impression Smokey works for DS..... really though the mods should get an IP address I would not be shocked to find him sitting in the DS office right now.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by xR1pp3Rx View Post
    goody a new scandal for Obama to appoint a new supplement czar. the industry will now be part of the unaffordable health care act.

    it already will be. look how many lawsuits thermolife has going. they are using the same attorney and lawfirm that sued usplabs and a host of other companies. the same group right now has pending litigation over patent use, tainted products, etc, to get quick settlement out of companies. this is what thermolife is doing to the industry. he hasn't produced a product in years. the only thing he does is sue other companies which drives costs up over the entire industry. when you're creatine is $50, thank ron kramer and newport trial group.


    google "thermolife lawsuits"

    this is what he doing to the industry some people claim to care about.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    And the ASADA.
    And the USADA.
    And the WADF.

    I'm sure they're all pawns to Kramer too right?
    I was going to point that out but really is there any reason? smokey obviously is employed by DS or is Cahill himself.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    Sooo anyone else have the impression Smokey works for DS..... really though the mods should get an IP address I would not be shocked to find him sitting in the DS office right now.

    i don't work for ds you moron. look at the list of people thermolife is suing. if cahill tainted a product intentionally then lock him up but the person pushing that story is a lying sob. its just amazing that the sheep like you believe him.
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