- 07-23-2013, 08:36 AM
No this isn't a thread about it being banned or any crap like that. For the people who use/have used it what are safe dosages?
I was thinking about buying some sns adrena g before they ban it, to try 1,3 . can you/should you take it without caffeine? Aka replace caffeine in a PWO stack?
Also is it true 1,3 doesn't raise bp or rhr? Just want to confirm that as I've read it on multiple pages, i thought it was an odd fact.
- 07-23-2013, 09:07 AM
- 07-23-2013, 09:13 AM
Start at 20, scale up based on response.
If you get over 100mg, you're probably gonna have a bad time.
07-23-2013, 10:02 AM
07-23-2013, 10:05 AM
50mg 1,3 with 150-200mg caffeine was my sweet spot.
What are currently using for a pre-workout?
You could simply add 25mg dmaa
07-23-2013, 11:08 AM
07-23-2013, 11:19 AM
I also find 50mg of 1,3 and 100-200mg caffeine to be great for a weekend workout. I can't use that stack during the week though otherwise I won't sleep lol.
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07-23-2013, 02:33 PM
dmaa induced hbp is due more to the type of exercise performed, than the stim itself..this is not 100% definitive (always individual, with how things will hit your metabolism) and also tied in with your own health
my own .02, taking anything to combat if you are predisposed to bp issues or doing high-intense activity (running etc) will not be the answer, futile..best thing to do would simply to avoid, if you fall into these two categories
dosage ranges here seem to be pretty solid
07-23-2013, 03:47 PM
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07-23-2013, 04:53 PM
20 mg,ramp up. Take with yohimbine for a fun time and stack with a non stim like hemavol
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07-23-2013, 10:48 PM
07-23-2013, 11:23 PM
I think OG Jack3d had about 10-15mg per scoop...I always found 2 scoops nice, 3 scoops nuts. But never used it daily...
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07-23-2013, 11:36 PM
Nutraplanet sells/sold the 60mg capsules. Bought some when all the DMAA stuff was going down.
Never again will I start with a dosage that high. Idk why they would dose one capsule that high in the first place. I'm very stim tolerant but that dose had me light headed and kinda nauseous. Start at 20mg and work your way up.
Taken with caffeine is the way to go.
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07-24-2013, 02:30 AM
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07-24-2013, 06:59 AM
In my personal opinion if you are not feeling 25mg along with 100-200mg caffeine, then you either need a stim break or should not be taking the stuff.
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07-24-2013, 08:54 AM
however, there are always outliers..this is no different than someone who can drink large amounts of caffeine, tolerance can vary greatly by person
07-24-2013, 09:04 AM
Yeah I agree depending on certain factors like bodyweight 25mg may not effect a 250 lber like it would a 180 lber. But even still 60+ mg of dmaa running through anyone's system can have some serious effects, especially you're average joe. Unfortunately this is what got the stuff basically banned.
And you're right its very tolerance adaptive. Which is what leads so many people to bump up the dose. But just because you no longer feel the neurological effects at 25mg, doesn't mean that 25mg isn't producing the same vasoconstrictive and other physiological effects.
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07-24-2013, 09:21 AM
again for the most part, agree hereYeah I agree depending on certain factors like bodyweight 25mg may not effect a 250 lber like it would a 180 lber. But even still 60+ mg of dmaa running through anyone's system can have some serious effects, especially you're average joe. Unfortunately this is what got the stuff basically banned.
some are still just naturally tolerant to both more quantity, as well as potential efefcts of that quantity
and there is the other shoe - of course building tolerance is a great deal of the issue in ppl raising consumption to levels higher than what has been discussed as safe amounts..still does not justify making a blanket statement that no one should exceed 25mg and stop if they feel no effects. nor does it quantify blanket statement of impacting neurological effects in same fashion/extent on everyoneAnd you're right its very tolerance adaptive. Which is what leads so many people to bump up the dose. But just because you no longer feel the neurological effects at 25mg, doesn't mean that 25mg isn't producing the same vasoconstrictive and other physiological effects.
07-24-2013, 10:40 AM
Not exceeding 25mg?
Lots of preworkouts had near 100mg at full dose and were well-tolerated by the overwhelming majority of their users.
07-24-2013, 10:43 AM
07-24-2013, 12:09 PM
Don't want to start a huge debate here... But, I've always felt that if there weren't any proprietary energy blends that dmaa would still be around. No one really knew how much they were taking. That's probably wishful/na´ve thinking, because I'm sure it still would have been over used & abused. Oh well.
Its nice to see that a lot of companies are at least disclosing the caffeine content now.
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