Sorry Coop, as much as I respect your knowledge, I can't go with ride w/ you on this one. I believe that it has to be the correct extract ofto work properly. I have used all th ingredients in this product before and the don't give anywhere near the recovery the MPS does. The ingredients in MPS would not make a person after person recovery so fast that hey feel they can train the same body the next day, after a grueling workout...especially in amounts that you previously called "underdosed". The product speaks for itself. They don't sponsor logs and almost everyone who tries it raves about it.