Anyone take these? 5-HTP, L-Tyrosine, GABA
- 07-21-2013, 04:31 PM
- 07-21-2013, 06:02 PM
haha. im not saying theres anything wrong with it, and I don't think anyone else is either; im just reporting my experience with it. I took a natrol brand at 200mg, 3x daily for a few days to see what it was all about. natrol is the brand that warns ou on the bottle not to drive until you see how it affects you. on the night of day 5, I went to bed and woke up groggy 14 hours later; It was winter and I only had like 3 hours of dayligt lieft upon rising. stopped taking it, don't plan on ever taking it again. I think a lot of people who spend money on sleeping medication would be way better off with something like 5-htp which also benefits the pineal gland. I also think there are people who might have an unusually low amount of serotonin going for them that would greatly benefit from this.
07-21-2013, 06:08 PM
07-21-2013, 08:30 PM
B vitamins aren't a valid comparison unless you are extremely malnourished.
The science already shows the benefits of a high protein diet. If you want to follow "the science" (aptly named), take note of what is real and what is psychological.
07-21-2013, 09:05 PM
07-21-2013, 11:06 PM
my bad, they said it is 20x more soluable in water than l-tyrosine. , i also think there is something to have the acetyl bonded on for utilization, especially when it comes to something intended for the brain.. people are paying big bucks for acetyl carnitine when they could get carnitine alot cheaper. they pay for it cuz it works better. i wish i could psychologically induce the wakefullness that comes on onsought. i actually tolerance mapped the stuff. too much and the bowels let you know it, i also experienced an intense body heat when taken that amount (think it was 1/4 teason 6x daily) on the day i got the runs from that dose on two occasions. nothing like that happened with l-tyrosine at a bigger dose; i cant accredit that to phychology.
well my point is that people act like there is no additional benefit between taking b vits extracted from tar and taking coenzymated b vitamin supplements, just because the studies arent all over the place.B vitamins aren't a valid comparison unless you are extremely malnourished.
.The science already shows the benefits of a high protein diet. If you want to follow "the science" (aptly named), take note of what is real and what is psychological
im refering to, say jay cutler at 450 grams a day. its not like the literature walks in lockstep with what bodybuilders are sucessfully messing with
well, ive read alot of stuff that says exactly that, and that nobody in america has any deficiencies because we are so well fed. of course, the reality is deficiencies are everywhere as evidenced by the tremendous benefit people get from supplements. you never know whats going on with someone enzymatically; for example, the argument could be made that there's no way anyone needs 1-carboxy on a high protein diet; fact is, tyrosine hydroxylase diminishes with age, so its hardly fair in that case to assume we all got normal levels of l-dopa. i got a spectracell test done; they make a good case for how poor blood tests indicate deficiencies. when you get the results, they send you where you sit compared to everyone whose taken the tests in america. they show vitamins, minerals, and aminos; there ALOT of deficiencies going on in this well fed countryTyrosine is not the missing piece of the equation for anyone on a high protein diet, and it's not even the missing piece of the equation for almost the entirety of the 1st world. We see this problem a lot more in starving nations like Africa.
07-21-2013, 11:10 PM
07-21-2013, 11:27 PM
The position of the acetyl group matters, and in the case of NAT, it's not analagous to ALCAR. NAT also has like a 100-fold worse kinetic profile and poorer BBB permeability.
The studies with B-vitamins do exist.
Jay Cutler eats that much because he has a ton of LBM and runs all sorts of steroids.
Lastly, you are completely overstating 1-carboxy (it's L-dopa...) and its utlity with aging. It's not about tyrosine hydroxylase, it's about neuronal death...and it's called parkinson's.
NO ONE healthy should be deficient in tyrosine because it's not even an essential amino acid. Your body can make it on its own
Come on. Change the username to TheAnecdote or something
07-22-2013, 12:25 AM
you mean worse than acetyl carnitine, sure. you arent saying its worse than l-tyrosine. however poorer NALT BBB absorption to ALCAR may be, that doesnt mean its not better thal l-tyrosine. i also hear really bad things about ethyl-ester aminos as well. in the case of fish oil, i think the ethyl ester doesnt compare to, say, verctomega. HOWEVER, in the case of ornithing ethyl-ester, at a much smaller dose than l-ornithine: the pumps dont lie!!!!!
ok. point taken, but they werent always there. ginko biloba worked thousands of years before a study was done on it to prove it; theres just as much of a chance of somebody being anecdotally off key with somethings's effects as there is with a study being corrupted, being as they are funded by people with motivesThe studies with B-vitamins do exist.
ok, but the point is there's alot we really dont know, yet the substances are available. bodybuilders are always exploring here; those guys are composed of secrets, secrets people would doubt if they heard them, secrets the laboratories dont know aboutJay Cutler eats that much because he has a ton of LBM and runs all sorts of steroids.
i saw this study on improving tyrosine hydroxylase with mice; it didnt occur to me that they might be pre- parkinsons, ibut they did experience improvent in tyrosine hydroxylase expressionLastly, you are completely overstating 1-carboxy (it's L-dopa...) and its utlity with aging. It's not about tyrosine hydroxylase, it's about neuronal death...and it's called parkinson's.
not sure if tyrosine was on that spectracell test, but there were MANY people who needed non-essential aminos in this country, as evidence on the national test results. my thought was, everybody has a story; some people have cysts and crap in their pancrease, and the enzymes dont get out like they should. pther people just arent making enzymes like they should; hell, we all run out of them, sooner or later; we have a preset amount of them, and when theyre gone, its death by natural causes. i just cant give any credence to any statement predicating what levels of nutrients EVERYBODY has of everything. if the studies on that knew everything, we wouldnt be learning more and more about everything beyond what we knew every year.NO ONE healthy should be deficient in tyrosine because it's not even an essential amino acid. Your body can make it on its own
07-22-2013, 12:28 AM
07-22-2013, 12:29 AM
hahahah got your message.
07-22-2013, 12:57 AM
07-22-2013, 02:15 AM
07-22-2013, 05:31 AM
07-22-2013, 07:43 AM
We can go back and forth on this all day, but why do you support NAT so much? The entirety of the body of science shows its inferior, and this is a sizable amount of literature conducted in humans. There is literally no reason to believe NAT is superior other than a couple claims made by marketing hype artists when NAT was first introduced to the supplement market
07-22-2013, 01:10 PM
07-22-2013, 01:14 PM
07-22-2013, 01:56 PM
Hey mr cooper- I take tyrosine. Is it ok with my alphamine? I noticed that you mentioned avoiding yohimbine.
07-22-2013, 01:58 PM
07-22-2013, 02:42 PM
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07-22-2013, 02:48 PM
07-22-2013, 05:09 PM
07-22-2013, 05:30 PM
07-22-2013, 06:08 PM
09-05-2014, 12:14 PM
I can only respond by sharing with you what I take on a daily basis for the past several years.
I start in the morning with a multivitamin and add to that two capsules of L-Dopa, one capsule each of L-tyrosine, 5-HTP and Tribulus. In addition, I take one 20 mg capsule of Adderall XR and one Wellbutrin pill as well as one 10 mg pseudoephedrine pill, two 5 mg ephedrine pills, one zinc pill, two T1 capsules, one or two ibuprofen pills and about 1000 mg of PEA.
Later in the day, I'll repeat this dosage one more time.
Before bed, I will take one GABA, one 5-HTP and three 5 mg melatonin pills.
I have been following this regimen with minor variations for many years now and as I approach my 64th birthday, I remain in top physical, mental and emotional health.
This regimen may not suit everyone but it has certainly worked for me.
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