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    7-KETO or NA-R-ALA?


    Hi all


    I'm planning a clean bulk but because I easily add fat along with muscle I wonder if one of this supplements can help me control fat gain. If so wich one should I choose?


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    neither. go with Forskolin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iCeCreame View Post
    neither. go with Forskolin.
    When in doubt go with forskolin.

    I do really like Na-RALA and would choose that out of the two choices you are looking at, but fat gain (or lack thereof) will be more dependent on diet. Na+RALA has some very nice benefits though and it is a near staple for me.
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    would be great to get information bout Na-RALA thourgh my research as i get it is a antioxidant which promote fatloss. any effets in lean mass though?

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    Na-R-ALA out of those two.
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    7 Keto and Phosphatidylcholine.

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    7-keto is bunk orally.

    Na-R-ALA is more of a fat loss adjuvant.

    Forskolin can be used at any period (cutting/bulking) and is your best bet. Check out Sabinsa-licensed Forskolin-95 from Analyzed Supplements
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    Forskolin has recently become a staple for me. I use it in tropinol xp right now, and synthetic supplements when not on tropinol xp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Forskolin has recently become a staple for me. I use it in tropinol xp right now, and synthetic supplements when not on tropinol xp.

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    I didn't realiser there was forskolin in XP! Nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    7-keto is bunk orally.

    Na-R-ALA is more of a fat loss adjuvant.

    Forskolin can be used at any period (cutting/bulking) and is your best bet. Check out Sabinsa-licensed Forskolin-95 from Analyzed Supplements
    I was thinking about na-r-ala for carb control. Meaning that I'm affraid that the increase of carbs in my diet for bulk purposes, may actually mean fat gain because I suspect that insulin insensivity is the big reason for me to add fat so easily when bulking

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    Quote Originally Posted by amarula View Post

    I was thinking about na-r-ala for carb control. Meaning that I'm affraid that the increase of carbs in my diet for bulk purposes, may actually mean fat gain because I suspect that insulin insensivity is the big reason for me to add fat so easily when bulking
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    Quote Originally Posted by amarula View Post

    I was thinking about na-r-ala for carb control. Meaning that I'm affraid that the increase of carbs in my diet for bulk purposes, may actually mean fat gain because I suspect that insulin insensivity is the big reason for me to add fat so easily when bulking
    That's why recompadrol was developed.

    Take a look at it. It's at a really low price right now on nutraplaney
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    If you are worried that much much about insulin R-ala should help with that at least that is what the studies say cinnamon helps as well apple cider vinger there is list resveratrol i think helps again according to studies. My though eat whole food meals with fat protein and carbs it's not sexy but works the same was as all those supps for free. BTW keto 7 really only works in trans dermal application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhem99 View Post
    If you are worried that much much about insulin R-ala should help with that at least that is what the studies say cinnamon helps as well apple cider vinger there is list resveratrol i think helps again according to studies. My though eat whole food meals with fat protein and carbs it's not sexy but works the same was as all those supps for free. BTW keto 7 really only works in trans dermal application.
    7-keto is nice transdermally. But out of the two options the OP listed NA is a better choice.
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    I never really tried NA-R-ALA. I know the studies behind it say its good stuff and helps with glucose uptake but I just control my diet for me and keep my supps to a min now a days. How ever i see you are a PES rep I love your guys stuff all of it tried many things in the past you all got a GREAT pre-work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    7-keto is bunk orally.

    Na-R-ALA is more of a fat loss adjuvant.

    Forskolin can be used at any period (cutting/bulking) and is your best bet. Check out Sabinsa-licensed Forskolin-95 from Analyzed Supplements
    I happen to notice a difference in body composition at 200mg orally a day.

    I use the transdermal very spuratically. Like today when I'm with a female and don't want the burn of eviscerate ruining anything lol

    Forskolin is awesome! Higher you dose the better it seems to work for me.

    Osthole is another option for bulking or cutting it also acts as a gda/insulin mimetic
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    I am afraid of fat gain, as I lost over 100 pounds when I got started with fitness. I now want to gain muscle, but the thought of puting any of that fat back scares me.

    The Glucose disposal agents are a staple of mine. My favorite is recompradol.

    I cycle recompradol per the instructions on the bottle.

    I also mix a table spoon of hi maze resistant startch into my protein shakes.

    I take a slugger balance pill before meals that include cinnimon, fenugreek, and bitter melon.

    Lastly, I use Advanced Anti-Adipocyte from life extension to prevent carbs from turning into fat.

    EBF just release their metabolic powder that is similar in concept but much cheeper than than the life extension product so I am trying that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solar View Post
    I am afraid of fat gain, as I lost over 100 pounds when I got started with fitness. I now want to gain muscle, but the thought of puting any of that fat back scares me.

    The Glucose disposal agents are a staple of mine. My favorite is recompradol.

    I cycle recompradol per the instructions on the bottle.

    I also mix a table spoon of hi maze resistant startch into my protein shakes.

    I take a slugger balance pill before meals that include cinnimon, fenugreek, and bitter melon.

    Lastly, I use Advanced Anti-Adipocyte from life extension to prevent carbs from turning into fat.

    EBF just release their metabolic powder that is similar in concept but much cheeper than than the life extension product so I am trying that out.
    Yes metabolic powder will be great for your goals.


    You'll see that your able to eat significantly more when your taking it.

    I've noticed te best lean gains on metabolic powder with cnidium 20% osthole
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    I used forskolin in ABE and it worked wonders but I found out I put on water way quicker than fat. I added slinsane in the mix and am able to stay lean during a lean bulk with a decent amount of carbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    I used forskolin in ABE and it worked wonders but I found out I put on water way quicker than fat. I added slinsane in the mix and am able to stay lean during a lean bulk with a decent amount of carbs.
    Try adding erase pro and tell me what you think. Should help dry you right up. Glad you enjoyed ABE sir.
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    My blood sugar runs a little high and carbs just elevate my blood sugar more if I eat too many. Try using fats for more of your excess calories, like peanut butter (get one w/o extra sugar), olive oil, coconut oil, and walnuts almonds.

    I'm using usp anabolic pump for carb control, just started so dont have any feedback on it yet.

    Also a fan of forskolin. Have used Tropinol XP and bio forge pro max. Both worked well for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcweinsx View Post
    My blood sugar runs a little high and carbs just elevate my blood sugar more if I eat too many. Try using fats for more of your excess calories, like peanut butter (get one w/o extra sugar), olive oil, coconut oil, and walnuts almonds.

    I'm using usp anabolic pump for carb control, just started so dont have any feedback on it yet.

    Also a fan of forskolin. Have used Tropinol XP and bio forge pro max. Both worked well for me.
    Some may be surprised that mega-dosed TUDCA is arguably the best GDA on the market
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Some may be surprised that mega-dosed TUDCA is arguably the best GDA on the market
    Lol that's an expensive GDA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    Try adding erase pro and tell me what you think. Should help dry you right up. Glad you enjoyed ABE sir.
    I have used erase before and that statement is spot one. I couldn't do erase pro for some reason I have to step up to full dose but I still got the effect.
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    What is ABE, sorry if I should know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solar View Post
    What is ABE, sorry if I should know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solar View Post
    What is ABE, sorry if I should know?
    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/p...-capsules.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post

    I've noticed te best lean gains on metabolic powder with cnidium 20% osthole
    I am not familar with this, can you point me to anyinfo? Do you have a product recomendation?

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    This is the link to metabolic powder


    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/l...-servings.html

    As far as the osthole you need to search around for cnidium extract. I recommend buying it in bulk and dose it at 1-2g per day of the 20% extract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Yes metabolic powder will be great for your goals.


    You'll see that your able to eat significantly more when your taking it.

    I've noticed te best lean gains on metabolic powder with cnidium 20% osthole
    Interesting product. I may give t a shot. What do you suggest as best timing. I eat carbs in the morning, pre, and post workout.

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    You can cook it into your food. Or you can take 1 scoop pre and 2 post
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    7-keto is bunk orally.

    Na-R-ALA is more of a fat loss adjuvant.

    Forskolin can be used at any period (cutting/bulking) and is your best bet. Check out Sabinsa-licensed Forskolin-95 from Analyzed Supplements
    Sorry I think I have mixed up the nomenclature for 7-OH. I thought that 7-OH was the same as 7 keto DHEA. Please clarify this for me. 7-OH is the common name for the cortisol controlling ingredient in ABE right? Is it available as a standalone in pill form anywhere? I thought that NOW Food's 7 keto DHEA was the same thing, so I am glad I saw your post. Now I just want to track down the cheapest way to find 7 OH. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    Sorry I think I have mixed up the nomenclature for 7-OH. I thought that 7-OH was the same as 7 keto DHEA. Please clarify this for me. 7-OH is the common name for the cortisol controlling ingredient in ABE right? Is it available as a standalone in pill form anywhere? I thought that NOW Food's 7 keto DHEA was the same thing, so I am glad I saw your post. Now I just want to track down the cheapest way to find 7 OH. Thanks!

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    After some googling, I think I got it. 7-OH is the same as 7-OH-DHEA (and 7-hydroxy-DHEA), right? Is it available to buy in bulk or in pill form cheaply? If not, is there another cortisol control supplement that is as good (or better) and orally bio-available (preferably available at Nutraplanet, but anything will do)? I love how great my mood is on ABE and I think the cortisol control is a big part of it. Thanks!

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    I'd look into SNS Reduce XT for cort control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    I'd look into SNS Reduce XT for cort control.
    This, as you know its legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    I'd look into SNS Reduce XT for cort control.
    Looks pretty much perfect. How many pills would I need for a (roughly) equivilant dose of cort control as 4 pills of ABE?

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    3-4 caps e/d for normal conditions

    5-6 for more intense/catabolic conditions (like pct, or cutting cycle using ephedrine, etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    3-4 caps e/d for normal conditions

    5-6 for more intense/catabolic conditions (like pct, or cutting cycle using ephedrine, etc)
    Ephedrine is not catabolic. It's actually muscle-sparing
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Ephedrine is not catabolic. It's actually muscle-sparing
    No it isn't. Superdrol is muscle sparing.
    Ephedrine is not.

    Ephedrine creates a catabolic environment.
    Your going to say ephedrine doesn't cause larger molecules to be broken down onto smaller ones, to be used for energy?
    Really? Who r you trying to fool here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    3-4 caps e/d for normal conditions

    5-6 for more intense/catabolic conditions (like pct, or cutting cycle using ephedrine, etc)
    Is that when using Reduce XT as a standalone, or is there really upwards of 150-200mg of 7-OH in 4 ABE (I know no one officially knows, but I feel like people more knowledgeable than myself have a pretty good idea)? I am just trying to figure out what an equivilant dose would be when used with regular AB. If there really is that much in ABE, then ABE is an even better value than I thought!

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