7-KETO or NA-R-ALA?
- 07-20-2013, 09:45 PM
- 07-20-2013, 09:49 PM
07-20-2013, 09:50 PM
07-21-2013, 02:49 PM
This is the link to metabolic powder
As far as the osthole you need to search around for cnidium extract. I recommend buying it in bulk and dose it at 1-2g per day of the 20% extract.
07-22-2013, 07:27 PM
07-22-2013, 08:01 PM
09-12-2013, 09:28 PM
09-13-2013, 10:45 AM
09-13-2013, 12:47 PM
I'd look into SNS Reduce XT for cort control.
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09-13-2013, 01:22 PM
09-13-2013, 09:35 PM
09-13-2013, 10:28 PM
3-4 caps e/d for normal conditions
5-6 for more intense/catabolic conditions (like pct, or cutting cycle using ephedrine, etc)
09-14-2013, 01:21 AM
09-14-2013, 03:00 AM
09-14-2013, 03:01 AM
09-14-2013, 03:03 AM
09-14-2013, 03:14 AM
I'll go look for the specifics, but off the top of my head, I know b2 adrenoreceptors have a part in causing fats to be broken down into fatty acids, in order to be used for energy. ie, catabolism within the body.
ephedrine should never be considered anti catabolic and muscle sparing. it makes one think it is somehow on a similar level with anabolic compounds.
09-14-2013, 03:28 AM
ephedrine, ephinephrine, methamphetamines, all cause a catabolic response within the body. they are not anabolic.
I understand the science and technical of what you are saying. but in reality, I am pretty set on believing ephedrine to be a catabolic hormone when all is said and done, as it's catabolic effects in my opinion out weigh any anti catabolic properties it might show.
09-14-2013, 07:41 AM
Not to mention the bottle lasts longer and the chances of joint pain are also decreased.
Dose one upon waking and one before bed, thanks to Coop and a few others.
09-14-2013, 09:50 AM
I was under the impression that it would be better to wait until after breakfast to dose cortisol blockers because cortisol helps you wake up. Granted, I have already made it apparent that I know next to nothing about this though, so obviously I must have been mistaken haha. This is an area of supplimentation that I have only started researching within the last week or so, so I obviously have a lot to learn. Anyway, thanks again for the reply. I guess for questions specific to an ABE equivalent dose, I should prob ask the PES reps or someone who has experimented with 7 OH and Anabeta together.
I might try relora for now, because I can get it from an internationally-minded online vitamin and "herb" shop that has 4 dollar worldwide shipping (bad prices though, so I would imagine they don't get much business from inside the US), and it seems like that will control cortisol spikes and aide sleep, so at the very least it gets the better-than-nothing award.
09-14-2013, 11:04 AM
09-14-2013, 11:12 AM
Since you are an SNS rep, would you mind explaining the other ingredient in Reduce XT? I know it's related to 7-OH and also a cort blocker, so what does it bring to the party? Do the two compounds boost each other's effectiveness, or are their effects different somehow? Or is it just something to make it a little different than simply using 50mg of 7-OH? I am still interested in trying it, so any info you have would be awesome! Thanks!!!
09-14-2013, 11:25 AM
Reduce xt contains alpha an beta isomers.
7-alpha-hydroxy-DHEA is a by-product of dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) that is formed in the body.
"It is suggested that the 7-alpha isomer converts to 7-oxo and 7-beta, of which only the 7-oxo can convert back to 7-alpha (and back again, in cycles). This is useful for competitive inhibition of the enzyme that converts cortisone to cortisol
The 7-beta apparently does not convert to either forms.
So no competitive inhibition of the enzyme that converts cortisone to cortisol
To convert, the HSD11 enzyme is used, which is also the enzyme used to convert the relatively inert cortisone to cortisol"
The beta hydroxyisomer does appear to be the one correlated with the thyroid and cognative boosting effects though, so its not a waste "
09-14-2013, 11:31 AM
09-14-2013, 11:36 AM
And the alpha converts to 7oxo (and back and forth) and to 7-beta (but not back and forth)? And how does 7-beta work?
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