[thescience]

Apparently, some beta-testers have had a shot at Pf3 and others are on their way. I see posts dating back a year talking about its release, and now we're almost there. This thread is a compilation of highlighted user testimony. as I continue to paste findings into this thread, questions, comments, and personal testimonies will definitely be welcomed. Additionally, as I add more testimonies, I will be editing this initial post on page one with updated user highlights so as to provide a readily accessable concentration of information. all user testimony that I scavenge off the web will be in quotes.

[thescience]

here is some introductory info for anyone unfamiliar with the product:

Here is some more info on Pure PF3™ & its possible benefits.

Pure PF3TM is a Highly Concentrated Dose of Muscle Building Properties that are found at Very Low Levels in nearly all protein sources. These "properties" make up the BV (biological value) of protein. These "properties" promote Accelerated Recovery & Exploding Muscle Growth.

Pure PF3™ is a Highly Concentrated Dose of Good Ole' Muscle Building "Properties" that are under dosed in nearly all proteins.

Most likely the only two times in your life that your body has had elevated levels of these "properties" was if you were breast feed as an infant and when your body transitioned from adolescence to adulthood.

Shuttling nutrients was not the main focus when we were designing Pure PF3 but began to notice the enhanced nutrient transport benefits early into our studies & beta-testing. The reason for this is Pure PF3™ has a very High-*‐Molecular Weight that acts as a vacuum pulling every nutrient that you take with it immediately into your blood stream.† Taking Pure PF3™ with other supplements & meals only enhances their absorption & rate of bio-*‐availability in your body.†

Just a Tip on Dosage
I might suggest lowering the amount of protein (from food or powders) you are taking with Pure PF3.. as PF3 has been shown to increase nutrient bio-availabity & absorption by 31%.. basically meaning you get alot more from your food, protein powders & supplements that you take with PF3 - than you ever did before. I personally liked 25-30g of protein with 10g (2 Scoops) of Pure PF3 the best.. it seemed to work best for me & my other early beta-testers.

Also, If your training in the morning to afternoon time move your pre-workout dose with your dinner meal to better space your servings.

Just one last bit of info I will leave with you guys.. 2 Scoops of Pure PF3™ yields nearly 2 days worth of natural IGF production.. so get ready to GROW

[thescience]

there is this reviewer, who apparently is attempting to lose weight and is gaining strength on PF3, despite having had a back injury that had since compromised his lifting at some point in the past

•Overall, I lost 2lbs, 178lbs-->176lbs, while increasing strength on all core exercises
•Noticeable increase in muscle fullness about 14 days in. Even on about 100-125g of carbohydrates (usually leaves me feeling flat). This led to a very pronounced fullness during my workouts as well.
•Deadlifted 295lbs! My heaviest deadlift since my lower back injury. This alone was my best accomplishment. My goal at the beginning of the year was to hit 315 by the end of 2012.. I'm well on my way.
•I also noticed increases satiety after meals I would dose PF3 with. I wouldn't really be too hungry for at least a couple hours after dosing, even when dosing with a shake. This helped me quite a bit as I was trying to lean out before my wedding

[thescience]

here's another tester. he posted this review after discussing how he had hit a new PR. In this review highlight and the one listed above, both subjects noted improved strength:

Thoughts so far on PF3: Increased recovery time. I had significantly less DOMs from doing legs, and the DOMs that I did have were rather mild. I have also noticed that I do have more energy throughout the day. I have also noticed I am sleeping better w/ the night dose.

[thescience]

heres a compilation of a couple of reviewers observations:

Felt SO damn strong

I'm fairly impressed by DOMS reduction between yesterday's body-demolition and today's lack of soreness. Pretty cool stuff

Weight really isn't dropping at all though I am becoming visibly leaner. Can't complain about that!

Recovery: A totally stellar aspect of this product. I didn't experience intra-workout recovery enhancement as some of the other users, but I definitely noticed I had a decrease in DOMS.

Strength: Through the course of this log I've been doing 5/3/1 training and have been maintaining my prorgression with calorie deficit and an increase in cardio halfway through. Definitely spot on in this aspect

[De__eB]

I think I speak for a lot of educated bros when I say we'd be more interested in hearing how you're purportedly increasing the bioavailabilty of peptides that aren't orally active than hearing from people who got free supplements.

Specifically about IGF-1 since you're pretty much publicly acknowledging that that's the highlight of PF3 and it has sort of been studied and proven to not be orally active in humans...repeatedly.

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Also curious about the part where 1 scoop of PF3 = the actives of a scoop of whey protein. I hear whey protein is pretty cheap, as is milk. Where is the evidence that PF3 is somehow superior to protein consumption?

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And finally, if 97% of my protein powder is crap, but I'm consuming raw unflavored isolate which is approx. 95-97% protein, are you telling me that protein is crap and I should go on a no-protein diet or something? I'm quite confused!

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Here's to hoping you put out a better showing than Isatori!

[Touey]

I think I speak for a lot of educated bros when I say we'd be more interested in hearing how you're purportedly increasing the bioavailabilty of peptides that aren't orally active than hearing from people who got free supplements.

Specifically about IGF-1 since you're pretty much publicly acknowledging that that's the highlight of PF3 and it has sort of been studied and proven to not be orally active in humans...repeatedly.

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Also curious about the part where 1 scoop of PF3 = the actives of a scoop of whey protein. I hear whey protein is pretty cheap, as is milk. Where is the evidence that PF3 is somehow superior to protein consumption?

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And finally, if 97% of my protein powder is crap, but I'm consuming raw unflavored isolate which is approx. 95-97% protein, are you telling me that protein is crap and I should go on a no-protein diet or something? I'm quite confused!

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Here's to hoping you put out a better showing than Isatori!

[thescience]

im always happy to engage a thinker. I will address your points individually, as your statement is very concentrated.

I think I speak for a lot of educated bros when I say we'd be more interested in hearing how you're purportedly increasing the bioavailabilty of peptides that aren't orally active than hearing from people who got free supplements.

sure, I've seen plenty of claims from beta-testers that were questionable in my day. Ive also seen wild claims that turned out to be true when I personally took what people raved about. the fact is I wouldn't have known or cared to take something if they didn't. I personally don't view a person's experience as the "be-all, end-all" of everything, but I don't discount it either. the fact is, a substance and it's benefit to people exists before extensive studies do. right now, the supplement industry is teeming with innovation. my whole thing is, if I don't have a study in my hand, but my friend at the gym loves something, im grateful for the heads-up

[thescience]

Specifically about IGF-1 since you're pretty much publicly acknowledging that that's the highlight of PF3 and it has sort of been studied and proven to not be orally active in humans...repeatedly.

I have seen the reference to the igf content on the label. I personally don't believe that is the highlight here.

[thescience]

Also curious about the part where 1 scoop of PF3 = the actives of a scoop of whey protein. I hear whey protein is pretty cheap, as is milk. Where is the evidence that PF3 is somehow superior to protein consumption?

hey, evidence from studies is awesome. im with you. the fact is, I couldn't imagine a company sitting on a product that they took and loved for the endless amount of time and money it takes to render some defininative letters about it. a lot of times, historically, everybody loves something and therefore people feel obligated to study it. another point about the supplement industry is that natural ingredients are not patentable, so it does not fairly benefit one company to pay for a double-blind study that everyone else can sight when selling their knock-offs

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[thescience]

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And finally, if 97% of my protein powder is crap, but I'm consuming raw unflavored isolate which is approx. 95-97% protein, are you telling me that protein is crap and I should go on a no-protein diet or something? I'm quite confused!

great questions. I intend on starting pf3 soon, and I have zero intention of stopping my protein intake. I plan to reduce my normal protein by 10 grams. if I start soaring with everything, I will consider a reduction. conversely, I will be looking out for anyone's experience if they do decide to lower their intake. the guys in the beta-test logs I read did not discard their protein powder

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[thescience]

Here's to hoping you put out a better showing than Isatori!

[/QUOTE]

haha. im familiar with the product youre referring to. ive been informed its deinately not that. for starters, were looking at a dose of over 10grams I believe, and there's a lot of pf3 in the bottle for the pricepoint. what I do know about the bioactive portions, of say, whey protein is that they are numerous and any one or number of them could be extracted and put into a really big dose in a groundbreaking product

[thescience]

whats up touey? haven't seen you since that thread on grey hairs. I hope youre doing well

[Touey]

whats up touey? haven't seen you since that thread on grey hairs. I hope youre doing well

fair and balanced thescience tries his upmost to be imo

[hvactech]

Good info in here.....

[Piston Honda]

Interesting for sure

[mr.cooper69]

Strong username to thread purpose ratio OP

Serious though, hit me up when the profile is released. I keep getting lured into these threads expecting to finally see it and leaving disappointed

[thescience]

Strong username to thread purpose ratio OP Serious though, hit me up when the profile is released. I keep getting lured into these threads expecting to finally see it and leaving disappointed

haha. science is at hand. the 160,000 dalton size and the price point rules out igf. i see guys spending 90 bucks a month to let an mcg dose of natural igf sit under their tongue for alittle sublingual action; seems like they might be better off letting pf3 sit in their palate before downing it and save what theyde spend on OTC natural IGF products alone. just speculating. i, for one, am excited to be in unchartered territory. i mean, if casein is slow digesting at 30,000 daltons, whats the time for pf3 at 160,000? a product like this is just going to leave so many unanswered questions for the following decades to sort out.

[pete8407]

Awesome thread!!!!

[pampers938]

I'm in here. Loving the MAN supps

[pete8407]

I'm in here. Loving the MAN supps

Yeah buddy!!! MAN up!!

[steam]

lol lots of words in here that carry no weight and answer no questions

[thescience]

well, i put the personal testimony highlights up because they struck me as credible. it's not like one guy reported giddy energy, and another reported rock hard erections; on the contrary, they all are experiencing similarly awesome results. also, nobody was there claiming they put on 15lbs of muscle in 20 days.

anybody ever see that study that showed something like 7 out of 10 scientists say they have been approached by their employer (who funded the study) to exaggerate, downplay, or otherwise misrepresent their findings? it's entirely possible the other 3 were approached to misrepresent their testimony for that. my point is the doubt always remains. i like studies, and i like user reviews; i take all the input i can get

[koi1214]

This might be a dumb question but what is PF3? I see Game Day I'm using has 500 mgs in a full scoop.

[thescience]

This might be a dumb question but what is PF3? I see Game Day I'm using has 500 mgs in a full scoop.

that's an awesome question man. you can ask me anything. tve seen data that has 25 servings of 13 GRAMS/per serving, or 50 servings of 6.5 grams. here's some more info for you:

update: the above serving info is incorrect: I got it off a site selling it that has misstated the amount per tub

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The Protein That Wasn't Meant For "Normal Folk" Like Us…


After nearly 2 years of begging & emailing pharma manufacturers, one finally agreed to make a “small batch” for me..

You see this “pharma” protein was never meant for “normal folk” like us..

Real #!@-*$&# (withheld until release) protein is extremely expensive & was never intended for “public” consumption. It’s huge in the pharma world, for good reason. This **** works!

The LAST thing I ever wanted to do was get into the Protein market.



“Wow, People Really DO Need This.”


This is light years ahead of it’s time. This was never meant to be in “pure form”. … And, let me stress again, this was only intended for my own personal use.

For the past two years people have seen me walking around the gym, office, dinner table, everywhere… pulling out this plain, no label bottle and scooping out this white powder which I added to just about EVERYTHING.

Before I knew it, I was supplying half the gym, and many of my Internet friends, with my “l #!@-*$&# (withheld until release) protein”.

They’d ask me if they could try it and then inevitably they would say they "couldn’t train without it”.

But handing out supplements at the gym was not my first priority (and quite frankly, a massive pain in the ass at times and very expensive), as a result sometimes I would forget or just wouldn’t be able to bring enough for everyone who wanted it.

I feel like I’m obligated to bottle it up and let the hardcore guys who know the real deal when they see it be able to scoop it up for themselves.



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This Goes Against Everything.



The #!@-*$&# (withheld until release) ingredients in Pure PF3 are backed by countless studies – that for some reason have been withheld from you. Probably because this information is extremely controversial and challenges what the billion dollar protein companies have been saying for years.

Unfortunately, you’ll never hear this information from other supplement companies, reps or “protein specialists,” after all selling you pound after pound of low-grade protein keeps them in business.

No company wants to talk about the #!@-*$&# (withheld until release) % of their proteins because the truth hurts. This is the problem with our industry – no one will just man up and tell the truth. This is probably the industry’s best-kept secret and it goes against what everyone is advertising and educating (aka brainwashing).

If your one of the millions of people that drinks a protein shake and experiences stomach bloat, belching, muscle soreness days after a workout, and your gaining fat from the surplus of empty calories you’re ingesting – then you are absolutely drinking the low grade, useless filler protein that I’m preaching about.



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