MANSports PF3: what to look for. compiled testimony
- 07-24-2013, 11:13 PM
- 07-24-2013, 11:15 PM
- 07-24-2013, 11:22 PM
But on for the bigger picture....do not play with some peoples health/ well being unless track record is there first.. .. Do no harm first..... To pocket book nor health...... Tired are the people of being duped into spending their hard earned monies so you will have it...
People can not put every sally, jane, and betty out for the people thinking it is going to be win for the pocketbooks.
07-24-2013, 11:31 PM
I'm merely adding my opinion in this which is I hope it's a good product. I don't use protein in supplement form except rarely and only due to time constraints. If something ACTUALLY revolutionary (doubtful) came out in the supplement protein market I would be excited. I hope it pans out.
MAN is a company that you and I both have recommended products from due to them being pretty damn good; I'm hoping this follows suit.
We do get along well lol always have...
07-24-2013, 11:34 PM
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I actually do get that comment from time to time from people who mean it and it drives me nuts!
07-24-2013, 11:35 PM
07-24-2013, 11:44 PM
First I think Spaniard does not like Touey and know Piston does not like Touey...Would I like to know why those two post?
07-24-2013, 11:49 PM
I don't not like you; I just can't understand what you're saying or trying to say. And from what I've seen recently in your interactions with many esteemed members of the community here, you become adversarial and petulant when you get an answer you don't like. Maybe it's the language barrier; maybe you thrive on confrontations. We all goof around from time to time, but at least we are offering insight or advice. I just don't often see you post anything worthwhile.
07-24-2013, 11:49 PM
Of course people don't want to waste their hard wanted money on stuff that doesn't work which is why you take the info given by people like coop, deeb etc, then do your own research and see how the reviews are (anecdote). No argument from me there and I never argued that point.
Also, I'm in healthcare as well and care about the health of people just as much as Cyrus (coop) does.
07-24-2013, 11:51 PM
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07-25-2013, 12:08 AM
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07-25-2013, 05:07 PM
07-25-2013, 05:12 PM
So, Can you answer if the patent on this is going to be MAN Sports, or you're licensing a patent pending ingredient from someone else?
07-25-2013, 09:19 PM
07-26-2013, 02:56 PM
thescience, or somebody from MAN, please explain this question that I've had about PF3 and the other product which I shall not name out of respect. This is a question I had which the rep from the other company, who's name shall not be named here, was unable to answer. Here goes:
If 1 serving of PF3 is the equivalent of let's say 10 grams of whey protein or even 25 grams of whey protein (25 grams is what is claimed by the other company's product) worth of bioactive peptides, why would this be superior to just taking the whey protein in the first place? If the answer is that you are now doubling the amount of bioactive peptides without doubling the calories/aminos/etc. so that you can better absorb aminos for muscle protein synthesis (which is kind of what the other company very vaguely is trying to imply as far as I could understand from what they were saying about their product), why wouldn't one then just opt to take two scoops of whey protein instead? I mean, if more of these peptides in ones system causes better AA absorption for muscle protein synthesis, doubling ones servings for a shake would also double the amount of bioactive peptides right? There also must be some kind of limit to how much of these peptides the body can take and use, in which leads me to the next question, what would this ceiling be before you end up at the point where they just won't add further enhancement for AA absorption and use towards muscle protein synthesis.
So long story short, if I was to go by what the people at the other company was saying about the product, in terms of how to use it and what it would theoretically do (basically more peptides ='s better AA absorption for muscle protein synthesis), why would it be better to for example take 1 serving of PF3 or the other product along with your 1 scoop protein shake as opposed to taking just 2 scoops of protein thus doubling these peptides AND doubling the AA or if we are talking about whole foods, a whole foods meal + a protein shake. I'm not even going to bother touching on the IGF content since I honestly don't think ingesting it orally would actually do anything and it's probably on the label because it's one of the components which was extracted from what I'm guessing is colostrum (or another similar source) along with the bioactive peptides.
Btw, not trying to knock on the product or anything, it's just that everything that has been explained and described thus far is just really really vague and of course there's no real published studies I could find about supplementing with these bioactive peptides in isolation (though plenty of info on colostrum but colostrum is a far cry from these bioactive peptides freeform/in isolation).
07-26-2013, 03:22 PM
Very good questions, and unfortunately as I've stated before, info and writeups won't be available or discussed until release, which will be beginning of August.
Info is tight-lipped at the moment to ensure nothing gets leaked before its release. I know it's killing you guys to not have this info; it's killing us reps too! As with anything secretive like this, the less people that know, the better-kept the info.
All WILL be revealed soon, just not before the product release. It may not be the answer you guys want to hear, but its the best I can give you now.
07-26-2013, 03:22 PM
awesome question. first off, taking 10 grams of the other product sounds pretty innovative; its like something i would try. from what i know about with the serving size on that product though, and the cost of the container, i personally couldnt afford what all that would cost. great idea though; if money were no object, id have dont it. im excited about PF3 because of the amount given for the price point.
Here goes:If 1 serving of PF3 is the equivalent of let's say 10 grams of whey protein or even 25 grams of whey protein (25 grams is what is claimed by the other company's product) worth of bioactive peptides, why would this be superior to just taking the whey protein in the first place? If the answer is that you are now doubling the amount of bioactive peptides without doubling the calories/aminos/etc.
so that you can better absorb aminos for muscle protein synthesis (which is kind of what the other company very vaguely is trying to imply as far as I could understand from what they were saying about their product), why wouldn't one then just opt to take two scoops of whey protein instead?
with regards to you question about just doubling your protein, say whey isolate, instead; we are talking about a compound that im told comprises 3% of a protein product. at 20g a serving of whey isolate, that would equate approximately 600mg, instead of the 6.5gram to 13 gram serving suggestions with PF3.
what you said about bioactive peptides and amino acid absorption is very interesting to me. the idea MANSports advertized stating a vacuum effect on absorption has made alot of people curious and skeptical. While we dont have confirmation of ratios, %'s, or even all the substances in PF3 at this time, I would love to start talking about bioactive peptides for the sake of discussion however, as i have alot to say about themI mean, if more of these peptides in ones system causes better AA absorption for muscle protein synthesis, doubling ones servings for a shake would also double the amount of bioactive peptides right?
just going to throw this out there about oral IGF benefits even when not carried into the bloodstream:
"IGF-1 and EGF stimulate the growth and proliferation of the mucosa that results in a larger surface area for nutrient absorption in the gut as well as a more developed barrier function."
07-26-2013, 03:27 PM
Anticipation has been killing me for so long! Ok ok, realistically, the past 3 months or so :P The info is going to come out when the product releases though right? Hope so, this product and similar product from the other company I've been curious and wanted to experiment with but of course, would like to know what it was first, ha ha.
07-26-2013, 03:38 PM
07-26-2013, 11:53 PM
07-27-2013, 03:49 AM
of course, the statement about Pf3 going "directly into the bloodstream" may be a reference to the action of short-chain peptides, which (unlike protein) enter the bloodstream through the stomach; there are so many things that could be in this
07-27-2013, 04:51 AM
07-27-2013, 12:34 PM
All ive seen on Game Day, with reference to Pf3, is reference to a "compound including" what everyone has seen listed. my feeling is there is room here for speculation
09-03-2013, 02:00 PM
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