Did you know your SAAs are not actually SAAs?
- 07-17-2013, 10:13 AM
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07-17-2013, 10:25 AM
07-17-2013, 10:27 AM
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07-17-2013, 10:38 AM
What is the benefit of SAA's anyway? Sorry for my ignorance but I haven't really looked into them that much...
07-17-2013, 10:38 AM
07-17-2013, 10:55 AM
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07-17-2013, 02:05 PM
07-17-2013, 02:22 PM
07-17-2013, 02:25 PM
07-17-2013, 02:31 PM
Keep in mind that this information hasn't been backed up by any published data in humans yet.
You also probably can't actually buy a supplement with the peptides desired in it at the moment, since it looks like nobody manufacturing SAA products is actually using hydrolyzed silk protein.
07-17-2013, 02:39 PM
the first go-round with the start of this thread was "supposedly" to find a product that contain hydrolyzed silk..
now, it is promulgated by the very same individual who claims above, that no such research shows valid effects in humans...
hmmm, was waiting for the other inevitable shoe to drop, as I knew it would
some things are so predictable
in any event: to the forum in general, we are in the process of contacting the ppl involved in the study, for clarification on the text of the published data and what was used..will advise when I find out more information
07-17-2013, 02:44 PM
07-17-2013, 02:56 PM
07-17-2013, 02:59 PM
assuming a hydrolyzed protein was indeed used for this study (we are not too sure of this yet, as there is mention of both free form and hydrolyzed in there), why are you so convinced that our product will NOT provide equivalent results to a hydrolyzed source when we are utilizing same sourcing/same profile % of aminos, just different form?
07-17-2013, 03:11 PM
2. This is why I NEVER jump on the bandwagon of ANY new product, it seems that everything is now the over-hyped "Holy Grail" of supps. I wait for a while for anecdotal evidence as well, and there are particular members whom I trust as valid sources of information.
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07-17-2013, 03:12 PM
Peptides are biologically active in a huge number of body processes. Peptides are the target of a massive amount of pharmaceutical research.
As for why I don't think that the free form amino acids would have the same affects, I really think the best way to explain is to redirect your question back at you.
If you assume that the effects shown in the studies are solely based off of the effects of the free form amino acids, then why silkworm cocoons? Why not just any other amino acids, since an individual amino acid is exactly the same regardless of source.
A free form amino acid is a free form amino acid. A molecule of free form alanine from silk is the exact same thing as a molecule of free form alanine from beef.
Why would they behave in some different way due to source when a molecule has no memory or knowledge of source? Why would they behave any differently than BPI or TrueNutritions "SAA"s that are just regular free form aminos in the ratios found in silk protein?
Therefore the assumption in much of the published research is that it is the peptide content of silk protein that is responsible for its differing effects compared to general free form amino acids.
07-17-2013, 03:16 PM
I will not speak on other companies and what formulation they choose to use..that is their business and no concern of mine
what I will say however: we have chosen to not use a synthetic amino derivative that is not from silkworm, as it does not present a complete chain, in comparison
we are the only company in existence (to my knowledge) that utilizes this source for such a product
07-17-2013, 03:25 PM
What is the 'complete chain' are you talking about? A chain of amino acids would be a peptide or protein.
An individual amino acid would be no different regardless of if it's synthetic or from silkworm. The only thing intrinsic to silk protein with regards to a 'complete chain' would be a chain of amino acids in the form of a peptide (Sericin) that isn't found in other protein sources, and wouldn't exist in a batch of mixed synthetic aminos.
07-17-2013, 03:34 PM
a complete chain reference would be identical to ff as indicated used in the study..and yes (again) derived from silkworm
as to the sericin reference from peptide - yes you are correct there, and explicitly why we do not advertise that we have it in our product..i have never disputed this point
as stated, we are awaiting communication from the ppl involved in the study, for further clarification
no need to discuss further, will report back with our findings
07-17-2013, 10:12 PM
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07-18-2013, 07:13 PM
07-20-2013, 09:26 AM
DIRECT FROM THE MANUFACTURER OF THE SAAs
copy of excerpt from the manufacturer, to the owner of our company:
Basically I believe there is no peptides of different sizes involved, however this could be custom made
in case you feel peptides of different sizes is what you prefer for the SAA, this is not difficult for us
Sericin and Fibroin are only the names of different form of silk protein, so it is impossible for SAA to
contain Sericin or Fibroin, actually SAA are hydrolysate of sericin or fibroin
thank you all for your patience in this matter
we continue to strongly support our product, and believe it is simply the best of a unique idea of formulation that only a handful of companies are attempting to explore at this time..we will continue to Redefine the industry with ground-breaking products
07-20-2013, 02:25 PM
Nice work Snags and Finaflex
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07-20-2013, 07:06 PM
Yes, obviously an amino acid is the hydrolysate of peptides, which are the hydrolysates of whole protein. That's what hydrolysis is...breaking a protein into peptides and peptides into amino acids.
07-20-2013, 07:50 PM
Snags had it covered from the get-go. If a product contains amino acids (of any form) then why would it contain silk protein?.
Snags and iparatroop handled it well
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07-20-2013, 07:51 PM
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