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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    tudca and a milk thistle/nac/ala/trimethylglycine/dandelion product called liv-a-new.

    thanks...very proud of my sobriety!!!
    Yah Ive been in recovery for a long time as well and also have been on HRT for a long time....I do think one helps with the other.
    When my T levels are high I feel great..when low Im depressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Yah Ive been in recovery for a long time as well and also have been on HRT for a long time....I do think one helps with the other.
    When my T levels are high I feel great..when low Im depressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Thanks guys.

    As promised....I will leak a little info. We have been in testing with the product for over a year.
    We run bloodwork....tinker..run more...alter..remove...add something new....the goal to make something that stands up to an average range when blood tested.
    We are getting close. I cant tell you anything about ingredients but I can show you my personal recent bloodwork.

    My pre bloods had my total Test at 300 and my free test at 7...yes 7.

    Here is after 6 weeks on product X

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    Pretty sick results right. My free test is so high i have trouble sleeping because of the ever present kick stand.
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    Pretty sick results right. My free test is so high i have trouble sleeping because of the ever present kick stand.
    be interesting if you have a memory foam mattress, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    be interesting if you have a memory foam mattress, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Just an FYI.....my free test was 505 when I was on 1500mg cyp per week....
    So while the total T is high its the GIANT freet T level than = muscle growth....Im looking pretty beastly currently and have gained some serious muscle over the last month. You should see my lat spread......comparable to when used to run multi gram AAS cycles.
    Not bad for OTC and NO steroids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Docmattic View Post
    I'm dying to hear more about this. Is it anywhere near close to release or will it still be a long way off?
    Solid bump man I was trying to remember what thread this "new product" was mentioned in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Docmattic View Post
    I'm dying to hear more about this. Is it anywhere near close to release or will it still be a long way off?
    Actually we are pretty close.
    For all products where it is applicable we run blood work to validate our expectations.
    In this case we have already ran Pre blood work on several guys and have the results.
    Today I am sending off the test batches to the test subjects. They will run for 3-4 weeks Im thinking. Then we retest them.
    My blood work pre was roughly
    total t 250
    Free t 7.....yes 7 and now its over 600 lol.

    Ill let you guys know soon enough if I was an anomaly or if this is the average.

    THe only other things I was taking was Incinderine, our fat burner and some vitamins.
    The improvement in my physique is very noticeable. Keep in mind I have been on HRT for almost a decade...so..
    I thought the old boys were dead. Apparently not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Actually we are pretty close.
    For all products where it is applicable we run blood work to validate our expectations.
    In this case we have already ran Pre blood work on several guys and have the results.
    Today I am sending off the test batches to the test subjects. They will run for 3-4 weeks Im thinking. Then we retest them.
    My blood work pre was roughly
    total t 250
    Free t 7.....yes 7 and now its over 600 lol.

    Ill let you guys know soon enough if I was an anomaly or if this is the average.

    THe only other things I was taking was Incinderine, our fat burner and some vitamins.
    The improvement in my physique is very noticeable. Keep in mind I have been on HRT for almost a decade...so..
    I thought the old boys were dead. Apparently not.
    Did you mean total t 2500? or 250?
    And also, being non-steriodal, does this mean it could be used standalone without the need for PCT (if it works the same on everyone as it did for yourself)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Docmattic View Post
    Did you mean total t 2500? or 250?
    And also, being non-steriodal, does this mean it could be used standalone without the need for PCT (if it works the same on everyone as it did for yourself)?
    No total t 250ng/dl. After use it went up to 1900 roughly.
    And again free T went from 7 - 609. The ref range for free t is up to 140 I think (have to check) so 600 is VERY high.
    Total T isnt really super important if FREE T is elevated. Free is whats available to bind to androgen receptors.

    When I was on 1500mg cyp a week and assorted other anabolics my free T was about 500-600 so....its huge.

    There is 1 single component responsible for this increase. Its super cheap. OTC. and nobody really utilizes it because nobody thinks it works.....
    guess what...it works. The Total T increase is from a separate component which is also widely known.
    We are basically covering all the bases ans it seems to be working well.
    Again its too soon to close the door on our research though. We need more bloodwork to be run. I sent the samples out today to our test subjects so...
    Perhaps a month or so we will know if this is normal or abnormal.
    Either way...I know 1 thing for sure. It will work for everyone to some degree and the Free T increase has been repeated in bloodwork on a bunch of guys now so...this part is solid.

    No need for PCT
    can be used for PCT
    can be used for HRT
    can be used on cycle for test base.

    So far no side effects. We are managing them well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    No total t 250ng/dl. After use it went up to 1900 roughly.
    And again free T went from 7 - 609. The ref range for free t is up to 140 I think (have to check) so 600 is VERY high.
    Total T isnt really super important if FREE T is elevated. Free is whats available to bind to androgen receptors.

    When I was on 1500mg cyp a week and assorted other anabolics my free T was about 500-600 so....its huge.

    There is 1 single component responsible for this increase. Its super cheap. OTC. and nobody really utilizes it because nobody thinks it works.....
    guess what...it works. The Total T increase is from a separate component which is also widely known.
    We are basically covering all the bases ans it seems to be working well.
    Again its too soon to close the door on our research though. We need more bloodwork to be run. I sent the samples out today to our test subjects so...
    Perhaps a month or so we will know if this is normal or abnormal.
    Either way...I know 1 thing for sure. It will work for everyone to some degree and the Free T increase has been repeated in bloodwork on a bunch of guys now so...this part is solid.

    No need for PCT
    can be used for PCT
    can be used for HRT
    can be used on cycle for test base.

    So far no side effects. We are managing them well.
    Wow...I'm hoping we have a game changer for PCT to replace serms. Is this possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post

    Wow...I'm hoping we have a game changer for PCT to replace serms. Is this possible?
    No otc is going to replace serms except for mild cycles - just like no otc test booster is is going to raise test 500 or 600% either

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    No more talk about this, imo. I know BLR is legit based on how well Formeron works, but until we are ready for release or the testing has all been verified as accurate and not anomalies, then no point in leaking little pieces of information.
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    Wow...I'm hoping we have a game changer for PCT to replace serms. Is this possible?
    Currently, just based upon already known information regarding the ingredients I would take this combination of ingredients over any SERM.

    Period.

    The question isnt does it work. Its how well and we are running extensive bloodwork to achieve an average.
    This way when I say its gonna do XXXXX I will know for certain it will.

    SERMS are all good and well but SERMS are NOT designed to be used as fertility drugs. They are cancer medications and carry their own negative side effects.
    Sure, Clomid raises test levels in most men. This doesnt mean its the only solution .... we know it certainly is not.
    From my own experience an AI for example, by itself elevates my T levels more than a SERM and increases Free t by several times more.

    The new product is not an AI. The point is SERMS are not the holy grail of T boosters....by any far stretch of the imagination.

    Soon.....

    One of our testers is a well known member of this forum and Ill allow him to post his results when they come in...good or bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    No more talk about this, imo. I know BLR is legit based on how well Formeron works, but until we are ready for release or the testing has all been verified as accurate and not anomalies, then no point in leaking little pieces of information.
    Suspense has its part in things
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Currently, just based upon already known information regarding the ingredients I would take this combination of ingredients over any SERM.

    Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel

    Currently, just based upon already known information regarding the ingredients I would take this combination of ingredients over any SERM.

    Period.

    The question isnt does it work. Its how well and we are running extensive bloodwork to achieve an average.
    This way when I say its gonna do XXXXX I will know for certain it will.

    SERMS are all good and well but SERMS are NOT designed to be used as fertility drugs. They are cancer medications and carry their own negative side effects.
    Sure, Clomid raises test levels in most men. This doesnt mean its the only solution .... we know it certainly is not.
    From my own experience an AI for example, by itself elevates my T levels more than a SERM and increases Free t by several times more.

    The new product is not an AI. The point is SERMS are not the holy grail of T boosters....by any far stretch of the imagination.

    Soon.....

    One of our testers is a well known member of this forum and Ill allow him to post his results when they come in...good or bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    You had me up unitl that last statement now you are sounding like the back of a muscletech bottle. Now…
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    Formeron has bought a lot of credibility, so I am holding out judgement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Suspense has its part in things


    Formeron is a great product..... You certainly are making some strong statements with serms are good but..... Just hope we're not disappointed.... Just watched one company come out w a dbol like ph all hyped up.... Gains were disappointing. Hate it when this happens. But seriously, Formeron A+
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godstrength View Post
    Formeron is a great product..... You certainly are making some strong statements with serms are good but..... Just hope we're not disappointed.... Just watched one company come out w a dbol ph all hyped up.... Gains were disappointing. Hate it when this happens. But seriously, Formeron A+
    Did CL's Dbol not react well? Man that was one I almost ordered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godstrength View Post
    Formeron is a great product..... You certainly are making some strong statements with serms are good but..... Just hope we're not disappointed.... Just watched one company come out w a dbol ph all hyped up.... Gains were disappointing. Hate it when this happens. But seriously, Formeron A+
    Did CL's Dbol not react well? Man that was one I almost ordered.
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    What I saw was like 7-8 lbs in 4 weeks..... Not that impressive
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godstrength View Post
    What I saw was like 7-8 lbs in 4 weeks..... Not that impressive
    Looking at the logs it didnt seem to have many sides though...
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    Yeah did you find it.... I was looking but couldn't pinpoint where I saw it. Low sides, and mentioned running it at a higher dose might produce better gains.... Still, not what it was hyped up as and certainly not compare able to real dbol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godstrength View Post
    Yeah did you find it.... I was looking but couldn't pinpoint where I saw it. Low sides, and mentioned running it at a higher dose might produce better gains.... Still, not what it was hyped up as and certainly not compare able to real dbol
    There were a couple of mentions of it on another forum the involved PH's man i miss the old stuff! but what I really wish is if could just get my hands on some test again!
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    That is the best way to go.... It's not that hard to find, then again I lived in the same place for 30 years and kinda know where to look. Just gotta be careful, there's a lot of garbage out there
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    7-8 lbs in 4 weeks isn't good now? Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godstrength View Post
    That is the best way to go.... It's not that hard to find, then again I lived in the same place for 30 years and kinda know where to look. Just gotta be careful, there's a lot of garbage out there

    And there in lies the problem, being so close to Mexico in san diego there is a lot of junk out there and thats not exactly something I want to mess around with best case worse scenario its just saline water, worst case, I could loose a limb due to infection from injecting some Tijuana cocktail cooked up in a bathtub.
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    As far as comparing it to dbol no lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    7-8 lbs in 4 weeks isn't good now? Lol.
    With todays standards of PH/DS out there thats solid but when you could throw on 10-20 and keep 8-15 of it with the old stuff it is a massive step back.

    But to be fair it is non methylated so it should work really well stacked with other products. CL is not a bad company and they are putting out new innovative stuff in hard times
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    I hear ya, dirty gear can def create problems... It's wise to be safer about what your doing.... Keep your eyes peeled, someone you trust will come along.

    Also I have heard nothing but good about CL.... I didn't know dianadrol wasn't methylated. And I would take 7-8 lbs in a month!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    You had me up unitl that last statement now you are sounding like the back of a muscletech bottle. Now…
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    Lol
    I think while SERMS work well we now have better options. SERMS often leave your endocrine system in a condition NOT conducive to long term HPTA
    stability. Say you run a cycle of test...post cycle you use a SERM. Sure your test levels will rise but so will estrogen.
    Since its likely estrogen is already elevated you will end with a state where you are estrogen dominant and test will drop again.
    So yes its true in studies SERMS elevate test levels in real life they also can lead to long term suppression. I have personally seen this happen in a dozen or so personal friends. This is why I always recommend an AI instead of a SERM or better yet both. This way both elevate test levels and your left with low estro and moderately elevated test levels which allows for equalization and homeostasis.

    Now....currently, there are other options that work very well.
    These are not ground breaking compounds just combinations of existing components that work better than SERMS alone.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Lol
    I think while SERMS work well we now have better options. SERMS often leave your endocrine system in a condition NOT conducive to long term HPTA
    stability. Say you run a cycle of test...post cycle you use a SERM. Sure your test levels will rise but so will estrogen.
    Since its likely estrogen is already elevated you will end with a state where you are estrogen dominant and test will drop again.
    So yes its true in studies SERMS elevate test levels in real life they also can lead to long term suppression. I have personally seen this happen in a dozen or so personal friends. This is why I always recommend an AI instead of a SERM or better yet both. This way both elevate test levels and your left with low estro and moderately elevated test levels which allows for equalization and homeostasis.

    Now....currently, there are other options that work very well.
    These are not ground breaking compounds just combinations of existing components that work better than SERMS alone.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcgeier View Post
    Natural (herbs) or synthetic?
    Both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcgeier View Post
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    Both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Used both multiple times, like both, even currently have both in my stash. Prefer formasurge for on cycle, but Erase is great for when you only need a low dose of estrogen control (just take less caps) or as stand alone (at normal dosage)
    Took the words out of my mouth.


    OP, try both and then you will know which you like best
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
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    Cool. Hopefully you can bring it to the UK. You Formeron is awesome but very tough to get in the UK:-(
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