Transdermal Formestane vs Erase pro

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by dsbhaver View Post
    Yeah, I am going to get a few bottles of erase pro anyways and a few bottles of formeron because that stuff is highly spoken of
    i haven't tried formeron but i have tried bps formasuge a couple of times with good results....one of these days i need to try formeron for comparison.

    a big plus with formestane is it is a proven anti-estrogen that was even a prescription first generation anti-estrogen drug used in treatment of breast cancer, bona fides don't get much better than that, imo. not only is it a proven ai, but almost everyone reports a boost in libido, the same cannot be said for arimistane.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i haven't tried formeron but i have tried bps formasuge a couple of times with good results....one of these days i need to try formeron for comparison.

    a big plus with formestane is it is a proven anti-estrogen that was even a prescription first generation anti-estrogen drug used in treatment of breast cancer, bona fides don't get much better than that, imo. not only is it a proven ai, but almost everyone reports a boost in libido, the same cannot be said for arimistane.
    Plus spraying it once or twice a day with a good natty stack should really work well

    The boost in libido is definitely a bonus for strong AI!
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by horizons View Post
    Yeah that statement was BS!
    I would NEVER lie. Ever. Period.
    Here is the bloodwork from the guy whos test it raised 700%.
    The only guys who lie are those whos products dont work or compulsive liars....Im am neither.
    Youll also notice the FOrmeron elevated his Free Test to roughly 60% above the test range which would indicate a concurrent reduction in SHBG.

    Here is the testers original post::

    "Well, long story short, I have extremely bad testosterone levels (81ng/mL - 141ng/mL)....however for personal reasons I was never put on TRT. I came off a Super DMZ (original) cycle and ended up with no PCT due to some crap with TSA..... My levels were plummeted and I barely wanted to get out of bed. Started using Formeron for about 1 week, then went to a new doctor and told them I had symptoms of low test and I wanted to get checked. The bloodwork was done 6 days after my last dose of Formeron, and I was taking no extra supplements, not even daily vitamins. After talking to some member I found out Formeron stays in the body for awhile....So I took precautions, ate no flesh (chicken, meat, etc.), ate only tofu (this is awful ****, I do not recommend...), slept 4 hrs 2 nights before the test, pulled an all nighter the night before the test, and these are my results.... Formeron is the real deal

    Here is his bloodwork:

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  4. Also...Im a busy guy. If and when you have any questions regarding our products or anything about us please post in an existing thread in our forum..Ill put up a Q and A thread now. Or feel free to PM me. I just dont have the time to police every slanderous statement made on this forum.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Also...Im a busy guy. If and when you have any questions regarding our products or anything about us please post in an existing thread in our forum..Ill put up a Q and A thread now. Or feel free to PM me. I just dont have the time to police every slanderous statement made on this forum.
    I agree man!

    I was sceptical until I tried it myself

    It massively increases test and DHT, no doubt, I got anger, hair loss, sore joints, heaps of vascularity on two pumps a day. Had to stop
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by horizons View Post
    I agree man!

    I was sceptical until I tried it myself

    It massively increases test and DHT, no doubt, I got anger, hair loss, sore joints, heaps of vascularity on two pumps a day. Had to stop
    Glad you decided to try it!
    Im the same way....I have naturally low aromatase. I LOVE higher dose Formeron but I cant go over 2 pumps daily without alot of test on board.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    I would NEVER lie. Ever. Period.
    Here is the bloodwork from the guy whos test it raised 700%.
    The only guys who lie are those whos products dont work or compulsive liars....Im am neither.
    Youll also notice the FOrmeron elevated his Free Test to roughly 60% above the test range which would indicate a concurrent reduction in SHBG.

    Here is the testers original post::

    "Well, long story short, I have extremely bad testosterone levels (81ng/mL - 141ng/mL)....however for personal reasons I was never put on TRT. I came off a Super DMZ (original) cycle and ended up with no PCT due to some crap with TSA..... My levels were plummeted and I barely wanted to get out of bed. Started using Formeron for about 1 week, then went to a new doctor and told them I had symptoms of low test and I wanted to get checked. The bloodwork was done 6 days after my last dose of Formeron, and I was taking no extra supplements, not even daily vitamins. After talking to some member I found out Formeron stays in the body for awhile....So I took precautions, ate no flesh (chicken, meat, etc.), ate only tofu (this is awful ****, I do not recommend...), slept 4 hrs 2 nights before the test, pulled an all nighter the night before the test, and these are my results.... Formeron is the real deal

    Here is his bloodwork:

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    That's your proof???? LOL
    Formestane does NOT increase test by 700% PERIOD!!!

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  8. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    That's your proof???? LOL
    Formestane does NOT increase test by 700% PERIOD!!!
    Full-dosed Letrozole increases testosterone by roughly 100% in healthy males. Since letro has the highest estrogen-reducing capability (close to 100%) of any AI in the history of the world, nothing will remove the estrogen block on the HPTA as effectively as letrozole. Therefore, I would agree that formestane will not only not increase T by 700%, but it won't even increase T by 70%. The individual in question was either suppressed, had hypogonadism secondary to hyperactive aromatase, or was using other compounds.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Full-dosed Letrozole increases testosterone by roughly 100% in healthy males. Since letro has the highest estrogen-reducing capability (close to 100%) of any AI in the history of the world, nothing will remove the estrogen block on the HPTA as effectively as letrozole. Therefore, I would agree that formestane will not only not increase T by 700%, but it won't even increase T by 70%. The individual in question was either suppressed, had hypogonadism secondary to hyperactive aromatase, or was using other compounds.
    Right, which was explained. It was a special case where this compound had special significance. Basically perfect situation.

    I have a question though. If I have generally low free testosterone and high estradiol, will these compounds mentioned have a larger difference for me over the average user? I have used arimistane for 30 days and noticed sore joints but couldn't pick out much of anything else short of slightly leaner appearance around my midsection.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by manstr View Post
    Right, which was explained. It was a special case where this compound had special significance. Basically perfect situation.

    I have a question though. If I have generally low free testosterone and high estradiol, will these compounds mentioned have a larger difference for me over the average user? I have used arimistane for 30 days and noticed sore joints but couldn't pick out much of anything else short of slightly leaner appearance around my midsection.
    If the low free T is secondary to estrogen suppressing your HPTA, then yes, they'd benefit you. And that's actually what you should notice...low T corresponds to high visceral adipose tissue (midsection fat).

  11. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    That's your proof???? LOL
    Formestane does NOT increase test by 700% PERIOD!!!
    Obviously in this case it did.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Full-dosed Letrozole increases testosterone by roughly 100% in healthy males. Since letro has the highest estrogen-reducing capability (close to 100%) of any AI in the history of the world, nothing will remove the estrogen block on the HPTA as effectively as letrozole. Therefore, I would agree that formestane will not only not increase T by 700%, but it won't even increase T by 70%. The individual in question was either suppressed, had hypogonadism secondary to hyperactive aromatase, or was using other compounds.
    In a healthy male perhaps this applies. With someone with a severely impaired HPTA there is more room for improvement.

    In addition...this is not the only guy I am aware of and have seen bloodwork from who has had this experience using an AI (Formeron) only to repair HPTA.
    THis is another reason why I dont understand Drs recommending Clomid and HCG therapy without concurrent administration of an AI.
    Once therapy stops and estro is elevated test will plummet again. Doesnt make any sense and this seems to be the current widespread PCT protocol parroted throughout internet forums.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by manstr View Post
    Right, which was explained. It was a special case where this compound had special significance. Basically perfect situation.

    I have a question though. If I have generally low free testosterone and high estradiol, will these compounds mentioned have a larger difference for me over the average user? I have used arimistane for 30 days and noticed sore joints but couldn't pick out much of anything else short of slightly leaner appearance around my midsection.
    Yes. In your case you would expect to see a greater increase in total and free test than someone with a healthy HPTA.
    There is potential for an increase into the upper ranges of normal with Total T and above with regards to Free T.
    The other thing is what exactly are you expecting from arimistane? Its not anabolic so the effects you are mentioning sound about right.

    Formeron IS anabolic as it is also a mild PH so there is some potential for muscle tissue growth expecially at higher doses.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by manstr View Post
    Right, which was explained. It was a special case where this compound had special significance. Basically perfect situation.

    I have a question though. If I have generally low free testosterone and high estradiol, will these compounds mentioned have a larger difference for me over the average user? I have used arimistane for 30 days and noticed sore joints but couldn't pick out much of anything else short of slightly leaner appearance around my midsection.
    i was taken off test cyp injections after 5 years, after 3 months i was put on androgel which i am still on today. after i was taken off test cyp i used a different brand of formestane the bps brand along with endosurge for a month, next blood test showed approximately a 20% increase in total test. the 20% is significant, but it helped ease the symptoms of low test i was feeling in a big way....i was beginning to go into a funk with little motivation and little interest in sex or anything else for that matter...the formestane/endosurge really helped a lot. i have not tried formeron, but i would think compareable results would be seen, imo.
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  15. Why were U taken off injections ?? Off topic, I know just curious....


    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i was taken off test cyp injections after 5 years, after 3 months i was put on androgel which i am still on today. after i was taken off test cyp i used a different brand of formestane the bps brand along with endosurge for a month, next blood test showed approximately a 20% increase in total test. the 20% is significant, but it helped ease the symptoms of low test i was feeling in a big way....i was beginning to go into a funk with little motivation and little interest in sex or anything else for that matter...the formestane/endosurge really helped a lot. i have not tried formeron, but i would think compareable results would be seen, imo.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs View Post
    Why were U taken off injections ?? Off topic, I know just curious....
    liver values skyrocketed...recovering alcoholic!!! 15 years sobriety...
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    liver values skyrocketed...recovering alcoholic!!! 15 years sobriety...
    Congrats on the 15 years!! this is huge.
    Im surprised your liver values skyrocketed though. Do you have Hep-c or a pre existing liver issue?
    If this is too personal feel free to ignore
    Not trying to pry just genuinely interested.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i was taken off test cyp injections after 5 years, after 3 months i was put on androgel which i am still on today. after i was taken off test cyp i used a different brand of formestane the bps brand along with endosurge for a month, next blood test showed approximately a 20% increase in total test. the 20% is significant, but it helped ease the symptoms of low test i was feeling in a big way....i was beginning to go into a funk with little motivation and little interest in sex or anything else for that matter...the formestane/endosurge really helped a lot. i have not tried formeron, but i would think compareable results would be seen, imo.
    Also....soon you will have other options for HRT.
    Ill tell you more soon
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    Also....soon you will have other options for HRT.
    Ill tell you more soon
    In for any good news

  20. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    In a healthy male perhaps this applies. With someone with a severely impaired HPTA there is more room for improvement.
    Still there is no way you will see a 700% increase even if someone is severely impaired. ..not going to happen

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  21. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Still there is no way you will see a 700% increase even if someone is severely impaired. ..not going to happen
    Good contribution.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    In for any good news
    Give me a min and Ill dig up this weeks bloodwork on me for a current project. Its pretty impressive.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Congrats on the 15 years!! this is huge.
    Im surprised your liver values skyrocketed though. Do you have Hep-c or a pre existing liver issue?
    If this is too personal feel free to ignore
    Not trying to pry just genuinely interested.
    many years of hardcore drinking put a hurting on my liver, i take a liver aid year round...i really am not sure why i had a flare up, my liver values were a little on the high side when my doc put me on trt but my total test was so low we took a chance. up until that point liver values had remained within acceptable range!!! as of my last blood test liver values were as low as they have been in a very long time.

    i feel very blessed to have made 15 years sober....i can't explain why i have succeeded where many have failed, but i truely believe it is a blessing!!!
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Good contribution.
    Contribute some proof then instead of BS

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  25. Bloodwork is the proof....
    I know where you come from you base things on what some dude says on the internet.
    In the real world we use science and bloodwork results.

    Try to keep up.
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