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    Quote Originally Posted by swole210 View Post
    It was a long time ago...but wasn't it Molecular Sports Nutrition who had an oral formastane product? In any case, I have taken both oral and transdermal formastane products. The transdermals have worked well, but are always a pain in the butt (except for Fomeron as it dries VERY fast). The orals never worked well...EXCEPT for the Molecular Sports Nutrition product!! That stuff was AWESOME! Got me super dry, lean, vascular, and gave a nice libido boost. The physique changes with that stuff were awesome for me! Transdermal formastane is great though! On the flip side, I will not take anything away from Erase/Erase Pro, as they are VERY effective!!! Only thing with them is the sides for me...dry joints, and decreased libido. But these sides have not stopped me from continuing to use them, as they are very effective in regards to what they are meant to do for the most part!
    you are thinking of the ibe product...i think it was called formex. there was a lot of debate over that product, in the end if i remember correctly it tested out as something other than formestane-not sure, but it was quickly discontinued after that, so draw your own conclusions.
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    Ask Brundel about Formestane over in the Black Lion section. You could even search for a spirited Brundel/Cooper exchange if I can recall correctly...I have used Formestane before from Black Lion and found it to be effective. Best carrier for transdermal I've used, way better than CEL's old version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post

    you are thinking of the ibe product...i think it was called formex. there was a lot of debate over that product, in the end if i remember correctly it tested out as something other than formestane-not sure, but it was quickly discontinued after that, so draw your own conclusions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt

    you are thinking of the ibe product...i think it was called formex. there was a lot of debate over that product, in the end if i remember correctly it tested out as something other than formestane-not sure, but it was quickly discontinued after that, so draw your own conclusions.
    I actually really liked that product. I don't recall it being tainted or spiked with anything though. If I remember correctly it was just that it converted to 4-OHT at a somewhat high rate. But that was along time ago and I don't really remember anymore. But I thought it was a great product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    I actually really liked that product. I don't recall it being tainted or spiked with anything though. If I remember correctly it was just that it converted to 4-OHT at a somewhat high rate. But that was along time ago and I don't really remember anymore. But I thought it was a great product.
    no doubt, it was a very popular product....as best as i can remember pa tested it and once results came back it was quickly discontinued. i can't recall exactly what the results were, but it was dc'ed very quickly.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt

    no doubt, it was a very popular product....as best as i can remember pa tested it and once results came back it was quickly discontinued. i can't recall exactly what the results were, but it was dc'ed very quickly.....
    I still have some in my stash. Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    I still have some in my stash. Lol.
    i would take og e-form over formex any day, still the best formestane product i have used!!! and it sold for $15, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt

    i would take og e-form over formex any day, still the best formestane product i have used!!! and it sold for $15, lol.
    I'm sure your right. My topical form use is limited. I've only ever used cels topical. But it worked well. I noticed different effects from the formex though. Seemed to be more anabolic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
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    This debate would be over if everyone had experienced eform. Sadly, the debate in this thread will carry on while we chuckle in the background :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    Ask Brundel about Formestane over in the Black Lion section. You could even search for a spirited Brundel/Cooper exchange if I can recall correctly...I have used Formestane before from Black Lion and found it to be effective. Best carrier for transdermal I've used, way better than CEL's old version.
    Then why do they recommend dosing at higher levels than CEL's??
    Anyways ...after their first statement of it raising test by 700%in six days I knew Black Lion was fill of shyt

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post

    i would take og e-form over formex any day, still the best formestane product i have used!!! and it sold for $15, lol.
    It was a great product. !

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post

    Then why do they recommend dosing at higher levels than CEL's??
    Anyways ...after their first statement of it raising test by 700%in six days I knew Black Lion was fill of shyt
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Then why do they recommend dosing at higher levels than CEL's??
    Anyways ...after their first statement of it raising test by 700%in six days I knew Black Lion was fill of shyt
    Yeah that statement was BS!
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    Either way for the OP there is good topicals if you want to use them and have the time they work. If not Erase Pro is a great product also. I've always heard good things of BPS Formasurge so if you go Formestane id look that way. But if you go Erase Pro you won't be upset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    Either way for the OP there is good topicals if you want to use them and have the time they work. If not Erase Pro is a great product also. I've always heard good things of BPS Formasurge so if you go Formestane id look that way. But if you go Erase Pro you won't be upset.
    Yeah, I am going to get a few bottles of erase pro anyways and a few bottles of formeron because that stuff is highly spoken of
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsbhaver View Post
    Yeah, I am going to get a few bottles of erase pro anyways and a few bottles of formeron because that stuff is highly spoken of
    i haven't tried formeron but i have tried bps formasuge a couple of times with good results....one of these days i need to try formeron for comparison.

    a big plus with formestane is it is a proven anti-estrogen that was even a prescription first generation anti-estrogen drug used in treatment of breast cancer, bona fides don't get much better than that, imo. not only is it a proven ai, but almost everyone reports a boost in libido, the same cannot be said for arimistane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i haven't tried formeron but i have tried bps formasuge a couple of times with good results....one of these days i need to try formeron for comparison.

    a big plus with formestane is it is a proven anti-estrogen that was even a prescription first generation anti-estrogen drug used in treatment of breast cancer, bona fides don't get much better than that, imo. not only is it a proven ai, but almost everyone reports a boost in libido, the same cannot be said for arimistane.
    Plus spraying it once or twice a day with a good natty stack should really work well

    The boost in libido is definitely a bonus for strong AI!
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    Quote Originally Posted by horizons View Post
    Yeah that statement was BS!
    I would NEVER lie. Ever. Period.
    Here is the bloodwork from the guy whos test it raised 700%.
    The only guys who lie are those whos products dont work or compulsive liars....Im am neither.
    Youll also notice the FOrmeron elevated his Free Test to roughly 60% above the test range which would indicate a concurrent reduction in SHBG.

    Here is the testers original post::

    "Well, long story short, I have extremely bad testosterone levels (81ng/mL - 141ng/mL)....however for personal reasons I was never put on TRT. I came off a Super DMZ (original) cycle and ended up with no PCT due to some crap with TSA..... My levels were plummeted and I barely wanted to get out of bed. Started using Formeron for about 1 week, then went to a new doctor and told them I had symptoms of low test and I wanted to get checked. The bloodwork was done 6 days after my last dose of Formeron, and I was taking no extra supplements, not even daily vitamins. After talking to some member I found out Formeron stays in the body for awhile....So I took precautions, ate no flesh (chicken, meat, etc.), ate only tofu (this is awful ****, I do not recommend...), slept 4 hrs 2 nights before the test, pulled an all nighter the night before the test, and these are my results.... Formeron is the real deal

    Here is his bloodwork:

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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Also...Im a busy guy. If and when you have any questions regarding our products or anything about us please post in an existing thread in our forum..Ill put up a Q and A thread now. Or feel free to PM me. I just dont have the time to police every slanderous statement made on this forum.
    I agree man!

    I was sceptical until I tried it myself

    It massively increases test and DHT, no doubt, I got anger, hair loss, sore joints, heaps of vascularity on two pumps a day. Had to stop
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    Quote Originally Posted by horizons View Post
    I agree man!

    I was sceptical until I tried it myself

    It massively increases test and DHT, no doubt, I got anger, hair loss, sore joints, heaps of vascularity on two pumps a day. Had to stop
    Glad you decided to try it!
    Im the same way....I have naturally low aromatase. I LOVE higher dose Formeron but I cant go over 2 pumps daily without alot of test on board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    I would NEVER lie. Ever. Period.
    Here is the bloodwork from the guy whos test it raised 700%.
    The only guys who lie are those whos products dont work or compulsive liars....Im am neither.
    Youll also notice the FOrmeron elevated his Free Test to roughly 60% above the test range which would indicate a concurrent reduction in SHBG.

    Here is the testers original post::

    "Well, long story short, I have extremely bad testosterone levels (81ng/mL - 141ng/mL)....however for personal reasons I was never put on TRT. I came off a Super DMZ (original) cycle and ended up with no PCT due to some crap with TSA..... My levels were plummeted and I barely wanted to get out of bed. Started using Formeron for about 1 week, then went to a new doctor and told them I had symptoms of low test and I wanted to get checked. The bloodwork was done 6 days after my last dose of Formeron, and I was taking no extra supplements, not even daily vitamins. After talking to some member I found out Formeron stays in the body for awhile....So I took precautions, ate no flesh (chicken, meat, etc.), ate only tofu (this is awful ****, I do not recommend...), slept 4 hrs 2 nights before the test, pulled an all nighter the night before the test, and these are my results.... Formeron is the real deal

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    That's your proof???? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    That's your proof???? LOL
    Formestane does NOT increase test by 700% PERIOD!!!
    Full-dosed Letrozole increases testosterone by roughly 100% in healthy males. Since letro has the highest estrogen-reducing capability (close to 100%) of any AI in the history of the world, nothing will remove the estrogen block on the HPTA as effectively as letrozole. Therefore, I would agree that formestane will not only not increase T by 700%, but it won't even increase T by 70%. The individual in question was either suppressed, had hypogonadism secondary to hyperactive aromatase, or was using other compounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Full-dosed Letrozole increases testosterone by roughly 100% in healthy males. Since letro has the highest estrogen-reducing capability (close to 100%) of any AI in the history of the world, nothing will remove the estrogen block on the HPTA as effectively as letrozole. Therefore, I would agree that formestane will not only not increase T by 700%, but it won't even increase T by 70%. The individual in question was either suppressed, had hypogonadism secondary to hyperactive aromatase, or was using other compounds.
    Right, which was explained. It was a special case where this compound had special significance. Basically perfect situation.

    I have a question though. If I have generally low free testosterone and high estradiol, will these compounds mentioned have a larger difference for me over the average user? I have used arimistane for 30 days and noticed sore joints but couldn't pick out much of anything else short of slightly leaner appearance around my midsection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manstr View Post
    Right, which was explained. It was a special case where this compound had special significance. Basically perfect situation.

    I have a question though. If I have generally low free testosterone and high estradiol, will these compounds mentioned have a larger difference for me over the average user? I have used arimistane for 30 days and noticed sore joints but couldn't pick out much of anything else short of slightly leaner appearance around my midsection.
    If the low free T is secondary to estrogen suppressing your HPTA, then yes, they'd benefit you. And that's actually what you should notice...low T corresponds to high visceral adipose tissue (midsection fat).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    That's your proof???? LOL
    Formestane does NOT increase test by 700% PERIOD!!!
    Obviously in this case it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Full-dosed Letrozole increases testosterone by roughly 100% in healthy males. Since letro has the highest estrogen-reducing capability (close to 100%) of any AI in the history of the world, nothing will remove the estrogen block on the HPTA as effectively as letrozole. Therefore, I would agree that formestane will not only not increase T by 700%, but it won't even increase T by 70%. The individual in question was either suppressed, had hypogonadism secondary to hyperactive aromatase, or was using other compounds.
    In a healthy male perhaps this applies. With someone with a severely impaired HPTA there is more room for improvement.

    In addition...this is not the only guy I am aware of and have seen bloodwork from who has had this experience using an AI (Formeron) only to repair HPTA.
    THis is another reason why I dont understand Drs recommending Clomid and HCG therapy without concurrent administration of an AI.
    Once therapy stops and estro is elevated test will plummet again. Doesnt make any sense and this seems to be the current widespread PCT protocol parroted throughout internet forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manstr View Post
    Right, which was explained. It was a special case where this compound had special significance. Basically perfect situation.

    I have a question though. If I have generally low free testosterone and high estradiol, will these compounds mentioned have a larger difference for me over the average user? I have used arimistane for 30 days and noticed sore joints but couldn't pick out much of anything else short of slightly leaner appearance around my midsection.
    Yes. In your case you would expect to see a greater increase in total and free test than someone with a healthy HPTA.
    There is potential for an increase into the upper ranges of normal with Total T and above with regards to Free T.
    The other thing is what exactly are you expecting from arimistane? Its not anabolic so the effects you are mentioning sound about right.

    Formeron IS anabolic as it is also a mild PH so there is some potential for muscle tissue growth expecially at higher doses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manstr View Post
    Right, which was explained. It was a special case where this compound had special significance. Basically perfect situation.

    I have a question though. If I have generally low free testosterone and high estradiol, will these compounds mentioned have a larger difference for me over the average user? I have used arimistane for 30 days and noticed sore joints but couldn't pick out much of anything else short of slightly leaner appearance around my midsection.
    i was taken off test cyp injections after 5 years, after 3 months i was put on androgel which i am still on today. after i was taken off test cyp i used a different brand of formestane the bps brand along with endosurge for a month, next blood test showed approximately a 20% increase in total test. the 20% is significant, but it helped ease the symptoms of low test i was feeling in a big way....i was beginning to go into a funk with little motivation and little interest in sex or anything else for that matter...the formestane/endosurge really helped a lot. i have not tried formeron, but i would think compareable results would be seen, imo.
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    Why were U taken off injections ?? Off topic, I know just curious....


    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i was taken off test cyp injections after 5 years, after 3 months i was put on androgel which i am still on today. after i was taken off test cyp i used a different brand of formestane the bps brand along with endosurge for a month, next blood test showed approximately a 20% increase in total test. the 20% is significant, but it helped ease the symptoms of low test i was feeling in a big way....i was beginning to go into a funk with little motivation and little interest in sex or anything else for that matter...the formestane/endosurge really helped a lot. i have not tried formeron, but i would think compareable results would be seen, imo.
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