Nitrates, what am I doing wrong?

[bakerwil]

Been using 1g agmatine and about 10gCM and enjoying a good to great pump each workout. Added Nutriguard Potassium nitrate (2 caps contain 195mg) at 4caps, then tried 6, then tried 8 and all dosed with 500mg of vitamin C. And I don't really notice any change in the pump department. I am very well hydrated and been dosing on an empty stomach 30-60 min before I workout along with my homemade PWO drink (BCAA, creatine, beta alanine, agmatine, CM).

I guess I could bump it to 10-12 caps and still stay within an acceptable limit. But if I am getting little or no result at 8 caps, would this make much of a difference?

What am I missing here?

Thanks all....

 

[mr.cooper69]

This is what is referred to as the "Law of Diminishing Returns."You are taking agmatine, a potent vasodilator. That in itself is awesome. Now in addition, you are adding a pretty steep dose of citrulline malate, another vasodilator. I would try the nitrates solo or with agmatine to see how you actually respond from baseline.I would strongly advise against using 10-12 caps of potassium nitrate. Don't ask me why though

 

[bakerwil]

This is what is referring to as the "Law of Diminishing Returns."You are taking agmatine, a potent vasodilator. That in itself is awesome. Now in addition, you are adding a pretty steep dose of citrulline malate, another vasodilator. I would try the nitrates solo or with agmatine to see how you actually respond from baseline.I would strongly advise against using 10-12 caps of potassium nitrate. Don't ask me why though

Thanks for your response Mr Cooper. At 95mg PN per cap, what dose would you recommend?

 

[MuscleGauge1]

I would suggest using around 5-7 capsules of the supplement. This is an adequate number of usage for this product. I think you should understand the specific properties of this supplement. It really is to be used with caution. But you are stacking it with a good product so you should be fine just try to dose it about half of what you were using before this is a maintenance dose.

 

[mr.cooper69]

Thanks for your response Mr Cooper. At 95mg PN per cap, what dose would you recommend?

In conjunction with your stack, I wouldn't exceed 6 caps. Solo, you can try up to 8

 

[criticalbench]

Just try your nitrates alone!


Mike

 

[bakerwil]

In conjunction with your stack, I wouldn't exceed 6 caps. Solo, you can try up to 8

I went on this 1-1.5 grams of PN (along with agmatine and CM) dosing based on what other members found was their sweet spot. However, I will work with your recommendations Mr. Cooper. Thanks!

 

[blacklac]

Isn't there ~150mg of actual nitrates per cap? That's what I wrote down when I was researching it before I started dosing. Maybe I got wrong info.

 

[Adizzle1]

How long did you take it for? I find that pumps with nitrates are there strongest after 4-5 days of continuous use.

I believe i saw somewhere that it takes 6 days to reach "full plasma nitrate concentration", maybe mistaken.

 

[mr.cooper69]

How long did you take it for? I find that pumps with nitrates are there strongest after 4-5 days of continuous use.I believe i saw somewhere that it takes 6 days to reach "full plasma nitrate concentration", maybe mistaken.

Nope, you are indeed right

 

[bakerwil]

How long did you take it for? I find that pumps with nitrates are there strongest after 4-5 days of continuous use.

I believe i saw somewhere that it takes 6 days to reach "full plasma nitrate concentration", maybe mistaken.

You hit it. I only used them a few times and at 4, then 6, then 8 caps (95 mg each) over the course of about a week and one-half.
And only for workouts - which I was unable to get many in during that period.

So, I should try taking it each day?
On an empty stomach is more effective?
And for about without a break?

Thanks!

 

[bakerwil]

Isn't there ~150mg of actual nitrates per cap? That's what I wrote down when I was researching it before I started dosing. Maybe I got wrong info.

Per the bottle, 195mg per 2 caps.

 

[blacklac]

Per the bottle, 195mg per 2 caps.

Well, I was going off this: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/229013-potassium-nitrate-2.html#post3982168

 

[bakerwil]

Well, I was going off this: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/229013-potassium-nitrate-2.html#post3982168

Wow, thanks for pointing this out. 8 caps max is now making sense.

 

[Adizzle1]

try taking it everyday for the first 2 weeks, i notice after taking nitrates consistently i can use them 4-5 times per week and still get the same results in terms of pumps.

 

[Adizzle1]

Keep us updated!

 

[bakerwil]

Keep us updated!

Will do! Thanks all for the advice....Cheers

 

[USPlabsRep]

This is what is referred to as the "Law of Diminishing Returns."You are taking agmatine, a potent vasodilator. That in itself is awesome. Now in addition, you are adding a pretty steep dose of citrulline malate, another vasodilator. I would try the nitrates solo or with agmatine to see how you actually respond from baseline.I would strongly advise against using 10-12 caps of potassium nitrate. Don't ask me why though

He might blow up on the way to the gym...

 

[schizm]

He might blow up on the way to the gym...

That's what I call 'gettin your swole on' :ntome:

 

[cjwav34]

I would not recommend going over 4 caps (~150mg per cap). ~600mg of nitrate is plenty.

 

[bakerwil]

Hey Guys...thanks for all the advice. Just wanted to report back that the nutrigaurd PT is freakin awesome - I did 6 caps a day for about 1.5 weeks (plus about .5 grams of vitamin C) and then 6 caps pre-workout (3 times a week). I am pumped all the time and doing this along with using a GDA a couple of times a day works better than any non steroid test products I have tried (and *****s DAA). I mean in terms of strength, endurance and pumps. What a cheap an awesome alternative.
Intra to post workout - I am adding CM and Agmatine to my BCAA, gatorade blend (instead of having the CM and Agmatine up front).

I am afraid what might happen if I add DAA or ARA or Anabeta (or stack them...holy crap).

How long can you take this stuff at a few times a week at this dosage?
Have you got similar effects?

 

[laneanders]

I've used quite a few nitrate products and I like iForce's KNO3 Potassium Nitrate