Nitrates, what am I doing wrong?

  1. Nitrates, what am I doing wrong?


    Been using 1g agmatine and about 10gCM and enjoying a good to great pump each workout. Added Nutriguard Potassium nitrate (2 caps contain 195mg) at 4caps, then tried 6, then tried 8 and all dosed with 500mg of vitamin C. And I don't really notice any change in the pump department. I am very well hydrated and been dosing on an empty stomach 30-60 min before I workout along with my homemade PWO drink (BCAA, creatine, beta alanine, agmatine, CM).

    I guess I could bump it to 10-12 caps and still stay within an acceptable limit. But if I am getting little or no result at 8 caps, would this make much of a difference?

    What am I missing here?

    Thanks all....


  2. This is what is referred to as the "Law of Diminishing Returns."You are taking agmatine, a potent vasodilator. That in itself is awesome. Now in addition, you are adding a pretty steep dose of citrulline malate, another vasodilator. I would try the nitrates solo or with agmatine to see how you actually respond from baseline.I would strongly advise against using 10-12 caps of potassium nitrate. Don't ask me why though
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This is what is referring to as the "Law of Diminishing Returns."You are taking agmatine, a potent vasodilator. That in itself is awesome. Now in addition, you are adding a pretty steep dose of citrulline malate, another vasodilator. I would try the nitrates solo or with agmatine to see how you actually respond from baseline.I would strongly advise against using 10-12 caps of potassium nitrate. Don't ask me why though
    Thanks for your response Mr Cooper. At 95mg PN per cap, what dose would you recommend?
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  4. I would suggest using around 5-7 capsules of the supplement. This is an adequate number of usage for this product. I think you should understand the specific properties of this supplement. It really is to be used with caution. But you are stacking it with a good product so you should be fine just try to dose it about half of what you were using before this is a maintenance dose.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by bakerwil View Post
    Thanks for your response Mr Cooper. At 95mg PN per cap, what dose would you recommend?
    In conjunction with your stack, I wouldn't exceed 6 caps. Solo, you can try up to 8
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  6. Just try your nitrates alone!


    Mike

  7. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    In conjunction with your stack, I wouldn't exceed 6 caps. Solo, you can try up to 8
    I went on this 1-1.5 grams of PN (along with agmatine and CM) dosing based on what other members found was their sweet spot. However, I will work with your recommendations Mr. Cooper. Thanks!

  8. Isn't there ~150mg of actual nitrates per cap? That's what I wrote down when I was researching it before I started dosing. Maybe I got wrong info.

  9. How long did you take it for? I find that pumps with nitrates are there strongest after 4-5 days of continuous use.

    I believe i saw somewhere that it takes 6 days to reach "full plasma nitrate concentration", maybe mistaken.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Adizzle1 View Post
    How long did you take it for? I find that pumps with nitrates are there strongest after 4-5 days of continuous use.I believe i saw somewhere that it takes 6 days to reach "full plasma nitrate concentration", maybe mistaken.
    Nope, you are indeed right
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Adizzle1 View Post
    How long did you take it for? I find that pumps with nitrates are there strongest after 4-5 days of continuous use.

    I believe i saw somewhere that it takes 6 days to reach "full plasma nitrate concentration", maybe mistaken.
    You hit it. I only used them a few times and at 4, then 6, then 8 caps (95 mg each) over the course of about a week and one-half.
    And only for workouts - which I was unable to get many in during that period.

    So, I should try taking it each day?
    On an empty stomach is more effective?
    And for about without a break?

    Thanks!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by blacklac View Post
    Isn't there ~150mg of actual nitrates per cap? That's what I wrote down when I was researching it before I started dosing. Maybe I got wrong info.
    Per the bottle, 195mg per 2 caps.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by bakerwil View Post
    Per the bottle, 195mg per 2 caps.
    Well, I was going off this: Potassium Nitrate

  14. Quote Originally Posted by blacklac View Post
    Well, I was going off this: Potassium Nitrate
    Wow, thanks for pointing this out. 8 caps max is now making sense.

  15. try taking it everyday for the first 2 weeks, i notice after taking nitrates consistently i can use them 4-5 times per week and still get the same results in terms of pumps.
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  16. Keep us updated!
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Adizzle1 View Post
    Keep us updated!
    Will do! Thanks all for the advice....Cheers

  18. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This is what is referred to as the "Law of Diminishing Returns."You are taking agmatine, a potent vasodilator. That in itself is awesome. Now in addition, you are adding a pretty steep dose of citrulline malate, another vasodilator. I would try the nitrates solo or with agmatine to see how you actually respond from baseline.I would strongly advise against using 10-12 caps of potassium nitrate. Don't ask me why though
    He might blow up on the way to the gym...

  19. Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post

    He might blow up on the way to the gym...
    That's what I call 'gettin your swole on'
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  20. I would not recommend going over 4 caps (~150mg per cap). ~600mg of nitrate is plenty.

  21. Hey Guys...thanks for all the advice. Just wanted to report back that the nutrigaurd PT is freakin awesome - I did 6 caps a day for about 1.5 weeks (plus about .5 grams of vitamin C) and then 6 caps pre-workout (3 times a week). I am pumped all the time and doing this along with using a GDA a couple of times a day works better than any non steroid test products I have tried (and *****s DAA). I mean in terms of strength, endurance and pumps. What a cheap an awesome alternative.
    Intra to post workout - I am adding CM and Agmatine to my BCAA, gatorade blend (instead of having the CM and Agmatine up front).

    I am afraid what might happen if I add DAA or ARA or Anabeta (or stack them...holy crap).

    How long can you take this stuff at a few times a week at this dosage?
    Have you got similar effects?

  22. I've used quite a few nitrate products and I like iForce's KNO3 Potassium Nitrate
  

  
 

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