Endurance athletes, a question for you!
- 06-22-2013, 10:41 PM
Endurance athletes, a question for you!
Man I haven't been on AM in forever! Long story short, I used to be HUGE into weight training. Back when I was dedicated to bodybuilding you all helped me learn so much its CRAZY! So I figured I would turn to you guys again.
Well, after many years of weight training, I decided that being larger wasn't for me anymore. Although I was pretty lean at 6 ft 225, I didn't want to be that big. Well, I got into cycling, big time. I love it. I've cut down to about 175 which is really great but, recently, I've hit a plateau when it comes to weight loss. To get my power to weight ratio where I need it to be, in order to race next year, I need to lose about 15 more pounds. I'm looking to add in supplements for fat loss for the first time ever. I've been out of the supplement game for so long, it seems I know very little about whats good and bad anymore (on the legal side at least).
I need to stick to legal stuff. I used to dabble in the dark arts of gear but, now that I'm in medical school, I don't need to be caught with any kind of controlled substance. I would never get licensed, and wouldn't have a job The main reason I'm blabbing on is to find out more about your favorite, legal, cutting agents as athletes. I'm slightly concerned with using major stimulants, as the majority of my workouts are done between 75-100% of my max heart rate. I don't want to keel over in a ditch somewhere dying....I'm ok with using thermogenics but at the same time, I don't want to overheat while climbing and destroy my lactate tolerance. Right now I'm really thinking about trying out . Could any of you fine men or ladies lead me in the right direction? As always, Thanks!
- 06-22-2013, 10:45 PM
I hear COP and Citrulline Malate are really great for endurance. For PES products I would rather use Enhanced for endurance rather than Alphamine.
06-22-2013, 10:46 PM
06-22-2013, 10:49 PM
The new Usp Labs Oep Super Thermo Powder may also help you out in the fat loss department and you could take it pre training also. I'd switch off between enhanced and the Oep Super Thermo Powder. Right now I stack them though I wouldn't suggest it if your not used to products. I've built quite a tolerance.
06-22-2013, 10:50 PM
If my posts were unclear, I'm looking for a fat burner that would be safe for use during endurance exercising. I realize I will probably be in the realm of stimulants and thermogenics but I didn't know if one would be better than another for an endurance guy like myself...
06-22-2013, 10:51 PM
Glad to know somebody else trying their fit in endurance training. Many people don't give it the time of day but man, cycling will make you suffer more than anything I've ever done in my life.
06-22-2013, 10:52 PM
06-22-2013, 10:53 PM
06-22-2013, 10:54 PM
06-22-2013, 10:56 PM
Someone else with more extensive knowledge may be able to help you out better. I'm just trying to help quickly off the top of my head.
06-22-2013, 10:56 PM
06-22-2013, 10:57 PM
06-22-2013, 11:00 PM
I was told PLCAR is the best carnitine to help with fat loss. Maybe purchase a bottle of the OEP Powder and a bottle of PLCAR and put a few scoops in your OEP Powder, and maybe a few scoop plcar in whatever your drinking during your cycling.
06-22-2013, 11:06 PM
06-23-2013, 01:55 AM
Not sure I can be of much help, as I am an endurance athlete--but not one looking to cut.
Haven't tried the OEP powder--but I can second any of the carnitines (ALCAR or PLCAR) for adding to your intraworkouts.
You are going to have trouble finding a suitable fatburner that will not screw with your heartrate in training.
Thyroid modulating fatburners like Alpha T2 are probably your best bet
06-23-2013, 01:30 PM
Another thought from this morning's long run (that doesn't necessarily answer your question).
If you don't already--you may want to strongly consider adding in fasted AM training.
I am a huge proponent of it--in my case more for the metabolic efficiencies needed for the marathon but it works wonders for fat loss.
On the supplement front--I have occasionally subbed in a scoop of Alphamine for my AM cup of coffee before a run w/o ill effects.
06-23-2013, 06:48 PM
06-23-2013, 08:50 PM
06-23-2013, 09:57 PM
06-23-2013, 09:59 PM
06-23-2013, 10:02 PM
06-23-2013, 10:03 PM
Read up on metabolic efficiency training by Bob Seebohar (elite triathlon coach, Olympic team sport dietitian, exercise physiologist and strength coach)
06-23-2013, 11:17 PM
note: I never said that I actually TAKE said gel during a fasted training session, merely take it along in case it is needed to get home.
Moreover, at some point (although a different training focus) it is necessary to practice fueling, and I have found the carb blend in Hammer Gels to be conducive to my competitive needs.w
06-23-2013, 11:29 PM
OEP powder might be beneficial in helping you meet your needs
OEPowder + HIIT work should help you accomplish your goals
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
06-23-2013, 11:30 PM
If fat loss is your goal then I would go with HiIT training for sure this gives your body the best workout possible and burns tons of calories. I use it four times per week and get great results. I would suggest starting with 30min sessions and working your way up to 45 min and above.
06-23-2013, 11:39 PM
06-23-2013, 11:40 PM
06-24-2013, 12:20 AM
06-24-2013, 12:41 AM
Hate to hijack the thread,
but. . . Generation ucan looks interesting.
I'll have to dance w/ the one who brought me--namely Hammer products, but that is just my experience driven bias.
As for the ultra races, I have been known to strap on the trail shoes for a couple(make that at least 50) miles. Agreed--ultra training is truly where concepts like metabolic efficiency and fat-burning optimization make the most since, as ultras are almost entirely aerobic.
Either way, if the OP is looking for fat loss and optimal health, looking into fasted training & Seebohar's work is merited
06-24-2013, 07:43 AM
never used mzself but heard hyper fx by bsn is good energz booster for endurance,
fat burners alphamine and dcp imho, I also like lean xtreme for added cortisol control
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