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    Quote Originally Posted by good2Badawg View Post
    Bump for info on E taken alongside nitrates....anything to even discuss?
    Nitrates should help reduce any cardiovascular side effects associated with EC
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    Awesome. Thanks coop
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue View Post

    Sure I can use Google I thought you might be able to mention one that you have personal experience ordering from.
    Rules. Google that exact phrase I use, and you'll find it.
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    I cannot find any information that suggest Ephedrine HCL in its pure form is illegal to possess or purchase. I can find all sorts of laws, acts, and regulations regarding the sale of Ephedrine HCL. While Rob suggested it is legal to purcashe 9g a month, the informaiton on Wikipedia suggest that the maximum legal amount to be purchased via mail order is 7.5 grams per month.

    From the way I'm reading the informaiton the marketing of Ephedrine HCL in dietary supplements was banned but the ephedrine itself was not.

    I would really like to get some soild info on what the laws/rules are regarding Ephedrine HCL
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1976pianoman View Post
    Here's what their site says:

    "What is EPH 40. EPH40 is now produced and refined under FDA regulations as a pure white crystalline substance that is both stronger and more reliable than the original preparations. Because it is now produced under pharmaceutical conditions it is also less likely to cause some of the side effects associated with Ephedrine\Ephedra use 20 years ago."

    To me that seems to be a creative and tricky way of saying it's not actually ephedrine. But leaves you wondering what the F it is. I can't imagine anyone taking something like this without know for sure just what it is. Let's contact them an find out! US meth laws prevent ephed from being sold in it's "pure white crystalline form" so it couldn't be that unless it was illegal. Which would be very cool, but I don't think that's the case.

    Got an email back from them and per their reply the product is pure Ephedrine HCL. It is the only ingredient on the label.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1976pianoman View Post
    Due to the nature of what we're talking about, it's probably in everybody's best interest to not publicly disclose a company that breaks the law by shipping pure ephed to the US.
    By the way I am reading the information, I am not so sure it is illegal for a company to sell the product into the US. Maybe I'm wrong.
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    Meh. 8 mg tabs you can find online would be cheaper. You're allowed 7.4 GRAMS before customs stops you. This limit is monthly.

    It is illegal to sell as a supplement but not illegal to posses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue View Post

    I noticed that too. Nowhere do they actually state what the product is. Like I said, I was basing my info off what Rob has stated. He mentioned that he has persoanlly placed ordered with them. He also mentioned that you can purchase/import up to 9 grams per month but also mentioned that some state law may differ than his.
    Much easier to go to Walgreens and buy a pack of Bronkaid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris223 View Post
    Much easier to go to Walgreens and buy a pack of Bronkaid.

    This is true and it is what I do most often, but I must say I do feel those 8mg tabs he was referencing seem to work a tad better...probably because you get a bit more active in them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue View Post
    I cannot find any information that suggest Ephedrine HCL in its pure form is illegal to possess or purchase. I can find all sorts of laws, acts, and regulations regarding the sale of Ephedrine HCL. While Rob suggested it is legal to purcashe 9g a month, the informaiton on Wikipedia suggest that the maximum legal amount to be purchased via mail order is 7.5 grams per month.

    From the way I'm reading the informaiton the marketing of Ephedrine HCL in dietary supplements was banned but the ephedrine itself was not.

    I would really like to get some soild info on what the laws/rules are regarding Ephedrine HCL
    Ephedrine is illegal to sell as a weight loss supplement.
    It can be sold for what it was made for, bronchodiolation.
    As previously stated, it isn't sold in pure form and highly regulated.
    But is not illegal. Though it may cause attention if you order like 20 bottles of ephedrine from Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue View Post

    By the way I am reading the information, I am not so sure it is illegal for a company to sell the product into the US. Maybe I'm wrong.
    It isn't, but why risk heat from tha feds for not properly regulating it.

    When I buy it from walgreens, CVS, w/e, I have to swipe my drivers license, and sign off.
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    There was a time when you could walk into any corner store and purchase "Mini Thins" which were pure ephedrine HCL, or buy a cold med of a previous generation that had very little or no additional crap added to it. Currently, all the cold medicines made for sale in the US that contain ephedrine or pseduoephedrine contain acrylic polymers which are not actually made by the drug company rather a third party company such as Evonik who is know for their product Eudragit. Eudragit will not be listed on your cold medicine label even thought it, or something similar is in there. While these delivery systems have a number of purposes, one of the "secret" functions is to block the reduction into methamphetamine. They do this by binding to it and preventing the isolation/extraction of the pure ephed. Extracting the pure ephed is a precursor step to meth synthesis. That's why finding the pure stuff is a bit rare. The DEA does not want you to have it. This is all about our meth laws. So you really do have to be careful cause they have a hard-on for anyone that breaks the rules. Also keep in mind if you are in possession of pure ephedrine, and also happen to a have a few other things in the garage or in your medicine cabinet such as iodine, any acid containing hydrochloric acid such as the driveway cleaner muriatic acid and/or red tipped matches, you can be put in jail for a VERY long time. You will not be on their radar, but if you order these pure products, especially in large quantities you will be. So make sure you don't have any of these other products in your home if you are ordering the pure stuff and having it delivered directly to your house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1976pianoman View Post
    There was a time when you could walk into any corner store and purchase "Mini Thins" which were pure ephedrine HCL, or buy a cold med of a previous generation that had very little or no additional crap added to it. Currently, all the cold medicines made for sale in the US that contain ephedrine or pseduoephedrine contain acrylic polymers which are not actually made by the drug company rather a third party company such as Evonik who is know for their product Eudragit. Eudragit will not be listed on your cold medicine label even thought it, or something similar is in there. While these delivery systems have a number of purposes, one of the "secret" functions is to block the reduction into methamphetamine. They do this by binding to it and preventing the isolation/extraction of the pure ephed. Extracting the pure ephed is a precursor step to meth synthesis. That's why finding the pure stuff is a bit rare. The DEA does not want you to have it. This is all about our meth laws. So you really do have to be careful cause they have a hard-on for anyone that breaks the rules. Also keep in mind if you are in possession of pure ephedrine, and also happen to a have a few other things in the garage or in your medicine cabinet such as iodine, any acid containing hydrochloric acid such as the driveway cleaner muriatic acid and/or red tipped matches, you can be put in jail for a VERY long time. You will not be on their radar, but if you order these pure products, especially in large quantities you will be. So make sure you don't have any of these other products in your home if you are ordering the pure stuff and having it delivered directly to your house.
    Oh jeez the limit is 7.4 GRAMS a month! that's more than 600 of those 8 mg pills. Enough for plenty of cycles.

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    That's actually A LOT! I didn't realize this until I just did the math. I'm surprised we are allowed that much considering all the other restrictions. I'm pleased to hear this.

    However, the max quantity laws have nothing to do with the precursor laws. The precursor law states that it is illegal to purchase, possess, transfer, manufacture, attempt to manufacture or distribute any two (2) or more of the listed precursor chemicals or drugs in any amount:

    EtherAnhydrous ammonia
    Ammonium nitrate
    Pseudoephedrine
    Ephedrine
    Denatured alcohol (Ethanol)
    Lithium
    Freon
    Hydrochloric acid
    Hydriodic acid
    Red phosphorous (matches)
    Iodine
    Sodium metal
    Sodium hydroxide (drain cleaner)
    Muriatic acid
    Sulfuric acid
    Hydrogen chloride gas
    Potassium
    Methanol
    Isopropyl alcohol
    Hydrogen peroxide
    Hexanes
    Heptanes
    Acetone
    Toluene
    Xylene

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    I would bet nearly all of us have at least two of the compounds listed in our house right.
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    Is there a recommended timing to take this before a workout? immediately before? 20-30 mins? Just planning on doing some LISS but want to optimize my results
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    Also I read that the difference between the EC and ECA stack is negligible so I am planning on just running EC, can anyone back this up or refute it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    Also I read that the difference between the EC and ECA stack is negligible so I am planning on just running EC, can anyone back this up or refute it?
    Anecdotally ECA > EC
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Anecdotally ECA > EC
    and scientifically
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    and scientifically
    Oh you and your "science"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    and scientifically
    There is a large enough difference? Assuming a 200/24 dose of EC what dose should I run if I used ECA?
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    The aspirin has a purpose in aiding the effectiveness on fat loss of the combo.
    Scientifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    The aspirin has a purpose in aiding the effectiveness on fat loss of the combo.
    Scientifically.

    That's not a very scientific sounding statement. You need to use bigger words that I don't understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    and scientifically
    I admit I have not read any research on EC(A) in quite some time, but I am positive I read reasearch at one time that suggested the A offered little to no advantage. Is there conflicting research in this area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue View Post
    I admit I have not read any research on EC(A) in quite some time, but I am positive I read reasearch at one time that suggested the A offered little to no advantage. Is there conflicting research in this area?
    I believe I read, that only in very obese individuals the mechanism of action of aspirin is important. Could be super duper wrong tho lol

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    Quick summary

    Ephedrine increases the release of noradrenaline. Noradrenaline then binds to the adrenergic receptor. A protein is then split and one half attaches to the activated adrenergic receptor and the other half binds to adenylate cyclase and this becomes activated which results in the production of cAMP and thus the thermogenic cascade. Now what does aspirin contribute? Noradrenaline is inhibited by prostaglandins. So when you take ephedrine you will get an increase in noradrenaline but you wont get an as increased cAMP output because prostaglandin will be inhibiting noradrenaline. Asprin inhibits the peripheral synthesis of prostaglandins so by taking aspirin you create the enviroment to help maximize your results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Quick summary

    Ephedrine increases the release of noradrenaline. Noradrenaline then binds to the adrenergic receptor. A protein is then split and one half attaches to the activated adrenergic receptor and the other half binds to adenylate cyclase and this becomes activated which results in the production of cAMP and thus the thermogenic cascade. Now what does aspirin contribute? Noradrenaline is inhibited by prostaglandins. So when you take ephedrine you will get an increase in noradrenaline but you wont get an as increased cAMP output because prostaglandin will be inhibiting noradrenaline. Asprin inhibits the peripheral synthesis of prostaglandins so by taking aspirin you create the enviroment to help maximize your results.
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    I understand the scientific thoery of the asprin, but there are studies that have been done and E, C, and A that show little to know benefit to the A. Does anyone know of a study that has been done that shows a benefit to including the A?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue View Post
    I understand the scientific thoery of the asprin, but there are studies that have been done and E, C, and A that show little to know benefit to the A. Does anyone know of a study that has been done that shows a benefit to including the A?
    I have read that in several places as well, in for an answer.

    Alternate question, how far apart from food should this be used
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