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  1. Quote Originally Posted by MusclesFrogs View Post
    So are hot dogs, but those would be considered a real food.
    That's a no too, your missing the point.


    Key word is supplement. Maybe you will figure that one out.


    But you get

    +1000000 points for having no real point.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by MusclesFrogs View Post
    Don't be offended, you should know that Mike is an insecure defensive numnut who, with the most sincere form of idiocy, lamely attacks anyone who shows him that he's in actuality, an idiot.
    I'm the idiot yet you repost the same idiotic thread in two places hoping you would get a better response after you talk shlt to anyone that says anything you dont want to hear? Obviously your "curiosity" on the topic is not going to be satisfied because no such study exists and your bird brain fantasies are better off staying in your head. I seriously hope you talk like this in the real world so somebody can hand you what you deserve. I doubt itll happen though because you're a little punk Internet bad ass that resorts to weak homophobic insults and small dick references..Seems like your true topic of interest may lay elsewhere... Like chat roulette.
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  3. Ahhhhh.....and i was going to skip this thread

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    FFS, you're just a lost cause. There are an incalculable number of factors that play into the hypertrophic response beyond a specific macronutrient. It's irrational to not understand how mutlifaceted this equation is and that there will never be a definitive statement that will apply to everyone based on simple percentages and genetics. You first need to initiate an appropriate metabolic response before any hypertrophy can occur and, again, there will never be a universal approach to this. You then have to take into account genetic factors, lifestyle, age, work capacity, caloric intake, insulin responses, etc.. However, what you're essentially questioning is thermodynamics and those are proven laws of physics.
    Quote Originally Posted by MusclesFrogs View Post
    You're wrong, you're just obfuscating . .

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285 View Post

    I don't see "his stay here" being very long lol
    Quote Originally Posted by MusclesFrogs View Post
    Alright guys, Im done here. I don't get off squabbling. I came on here to ask if there has been a study. To our collective knowledge there has not. That means, regardless of what you are saying, you are all following a path that is literally and definitively based on nothing. Regardless of how you want to spin it to delude yourselves. Just so you know. Based on absolutely nothing. Unless you can post a study, there is nothing more to be said. I'm sure when I leave you'll take turns throwing jabs at me, but I won't be here to read it, so it will only be for your own perverse self gratification, but have fun with it.
    51 mins apart...just wanted everyone to see I called that one lmao
    Purus labs Rep
    doin it mountain dog style in here come along for the shred fest-http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/229302-danbs-mountain-dog.html
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  6. There are no studies and there never will be.

    Whey protein isolate makers would never want to spend so much money to conduct an in depth study just to be handily trounced by chicken or steak. So there is one potential funding source...and that source has proven over time that it is totally uninterested in opening up competition with whole food protein sources.

    Whole food providers, like chicken and beef co-ops don't see WPI as a competitor either. So you won't see them funding a study that measures MPS or really anything vs whey protein.


    Rationally, the study doesn't exist and it will never exist. The absence of a study does not prove or disprove anything, but if it helps you sleep at night on your hospital bed feeding tube diet then w/e.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Lutztenways View Post
    There are no studies and there never will be.

    Whey protein isolate makers would never want to spend so much money to conduct an in depth study just to be handily trounced by chicken or steak. So there is one potential funding source...and that source has proven over time that it is totally uninterested in opening up competition with whole food protein sources.

    Whole food providers, like chicken and beef co-ops don't see WPI as a competitor either. So you won't see them funding a study that measures MPS or really anything vs whey protein.


    Rationally, the study doesn't exist and it will never exist. The absence of a study does not prove or disprove anything, but if it helps you sleep at night on your hospital bed feeding tube diet then w/e.
    You state there are no studies hence it is neither proved nor disproved yet you answer the query yourself...Also why would companies want to conduct a study for this matter, it is essentially proving 5 is equal to 5. Whether you get 200g of protein from meat or 200g of protein from whey isolate or 200g of protein from plants, you end up with 200g of protein. The only differences being digestion and satiety.

    Practically all living things need protein(amino) to survive on this earth, not all of them get their protein from meats. Not even the cow which provides us with beef, and the list goes on. Vegans are human examples of getting their protein requirements from sources other than meats. Meat is not the be all and end all for protein.

  8. you guys are all clueless
    mike mentzer had it right, drinking his own piss..
    purified protein, FTW

  9. Quote Originally Posted by outlawed View Post
    You state there are no studies hence it is neither proved nor disproved yet you answer the query yourself...Also why would companies want to conduct a study for this matter, it is essentially proving 5 is equal to 5. Whether you get 200g of protein from meat or 200g of protein from whey isolate or 200g of protein from plants, you end up with 200g of protein. The only differences being digestion and satiety.

    Practically all living things need protein(amino) to survive on this earth, not all of them get their protein from meats. Not even the cow which provides us with beef, and the list goes on. Vegans are human examples of getting their protein requirements from sources other than meats. Meat is not the be all and end all for protein.
    All protein is not created equal and biological value and efficiency have to be considered as well.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  10. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    All protein is not created equal and biological value and efficiency have to be considered as well.
    True, all protein is not equal. However all protein is amino based on earth, so even if it is incomplete it will be used by the organism for it's worth. In this case there is not much difference between protein from meat and whey (milk).

  11. Quote Originally Posted by outlawed View Post
    True, all protein is not equal. However all protein is amino based on earth, so even if it is incomplete it will be used by the organism for it's worth. In this case there is not much difference between protein from meat and whey (milk).
    Yes, there is a very big difference in proteins (e.g. BV, PDCAA, NPU, etc.)
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  12. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Yes, there is a very big difference in proteins (e.g. BV, PDCAA, NPU, etc.)
    You are overcomplicating the comparison. Whey is regarded highly when searching those acronyms, so are certain meats. Hence the difference is there but relatively negligible as both Whey and Meat are quite complete.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by outlawed View Post
    You state there are no studies hence it is neither proved nor disproved yet you answer the query yourself...Also why would companies want to conduct a study for this matter, it is essentially proving 5 is equal to 5. Whether you get 200g of protein from meat or 200g of protein from whey isolate or 200g of protein from plants, you end up with 200g of protein. The only differences being digestion and satiety.

    Practically all living things need protein(amino) to survive on this earth, not all of them get their protein from meats. Not even the cow which provides us with beef, and the list goes on. Vegans are human examples of getting their protein requirements from sources other than meats. Meat is not the be all and end all for protein.
    That was unclear on my part. I didn't mean to imply that whey would lose to chicken or steak, just that it would be possible. Why would whey protein makers want to open up competition with other protein sources when right now it is competing with water or sugar water in all the sensationalized graphs you see on the back of the tubs.

    It would just be bad business to pick a fight with whole food protein sources, because right now the two (whey powder and whole food) don't really complete.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by andro69 View Post
    Ahhhhh.....and i was going to skip this thread
    Lol me too... these threads make me smile (not sure if I've ever seen that emoticon used b4 lol so just putting a dancing man here)
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