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    I'm want to try out a different pre workout. I had been using Hemavol for a while but have mixed opinions about it. It's not a knock against Iforce as I have their new product Conquer and have enjoyed the Acaia for focus + energy.. I just don't think I respond well to the GMS...I used Noxi-pro and Noxivol from CTD labs in the past w/ some success. I know they removed the 1,3 from their old formula... I remember getting some pretty solid pumps from that..Off the top of my head, Citrulline, L-Arginine, and maybe Agmatine are the main ingredients I'm lookin for. Not necessarily stim free. I'm looking for legit recommendations, not just reps plugging their own products..Thanks in advance.

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    Bulk?

    It's going to be cheaper and you won't get underdosed supps.

    I suggest to remove L-Arginine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabriel_m View Post
    Bulk?

    It's going to be cheaper and you won't get underdosed supps.

    I suggest to remove L-Arginine.
    I've been thinking about just getting bulk Cirtulline Malate/Agmatine and combining it with my APS Creatine nitrate..But I'd like to see what everyone has to say.. I hate prop blends.. smh
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    Check out Powermax, people have loved it because of the incredible pumps it gives. The energy is really clean and smooth and is more about focus then anything else. We have close to 30 reviews posted in the Product Review section if you want to see what people think. The main three players that help with the pump in Powermax is L-Citrulline, Agmatine and Propionly L-Carnitine, check it out im sure youll love it!
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    Yea IDK why I said Arginine lol. I remember reading that it barely activates eNOS enzyme.. What about PLCAR, ALCAR?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    I've been thinking about just getting bulk Cirtulline Malate/Agmatine and combining it with my APS Creatine nitrate..But I'd like to see what everyone has to say.. I hate prop blends.. smh
    There's a lot of things you can add: BA, ALCAR, GMS, COP.

    You can still found some supplements with 1,3 (Old Hyde, Marinade)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    I've been thinking about just getting bulk Cirtulline Malate/Agmatine and combining it with my APS Creatine nitrate..But I'd like to see what everyone has to say.. I hate prop blends.. smh

    BioCor has these supplements at nutraplanet for a VERY good price. just click on the links in my signature or these:

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Yea IDK why I said Arginine lol. I remember reading that it barely activates eNOS enzyme.. What about PLCAR, ALCAR?
    We really enjoyed the addition of PLCAR to Citrulline/Agmatine and it def. made a difference with the pumps. Also i believe PLCAR is the only carnitine that works in the absence of glucose.
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    Anything that I say about PES Enhanced is going to sound like me plugging it, so I would highly recommend doing a search on here to see what other non-reps are saying about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    Anything that I say about PES Enhanced is going to sound like me plugging it, so I would highly recommend doing a search on here to see what other non-reps are saying about it
    Actually looks pretty solid.. Nitrates + Agmatine.. Not an overload of caffeine. Do you by chance offer a sample?

    And just curious, but why the Calcium? I understand its involvement in sliding filament theory but is there any benefit of supplementing additionally?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post

    I've been thinking about just getting bulk Cirtulline Malate/Agmatine and combining it with my APS Creatine nitrate..But I'd like to see what everyone has to say.. I hate prop blends.. smh
    Currently taking a break from stims, so I'm just using 1 gram Agmatine and 6 grams Citrulline Malate, and I love the endurance and pumps. Definitely makes it more bearable to be in between heavy stim preworkouts. Throw in some caffeine capsules or coffee if you need the kick.
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    Seems you really look for and enjoy the focus aspect in a product,and there are so many products that can be recommended,so here are a few that I can recommend and this is not me just repping my company,I stand behind every product I recommend and there are some great reviews that you can read further about these products.Focus Xt,it will not give you an over stimmed feeling,it gives a clean energy and out of this world focus and cognitive benefits,we also have a stim-free version if you did prefer to go that route.When I really want to take the cognitive aspect to a whole new level,I will add SNS ALCAR as I saw you had mentioned above,and the stacking options are endless with this formula,we offer bulk Agmatine,Citrulline Malate,Beta Alanine,and many more bulk products that you can adjust the dosing to find what you like and works for you and it will be a much better value in the end,also if you would like to try a sample of Focus Xt PM me your info and I will be glad to help you out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Actually looks pretty solid.. Nitrates + Agmatine.. Not an overload of caffeine. Do you by chance offer a sample?

    And just curious, but why the Calcium? I understand its involvement in sliding filament theory but is there any benefit of supplementing additionally?
    The calcium carbonate is to help with absorption by making it a more basic environment. I'll see what I can do with the rest
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    Enhanced and Jacked Micro. Or Alphamine with Agmatine and Citrulline Malate.
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    Glad you are enjoying the conquer! Hemavol though, is not really just GMS based. Is does not have a large dose of gms. I'd suggest before saying you not respond well to GMS, to give bulk gms a try at a much higher dose, or glycergrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Glad you are enjoying the conquer! Hemavol though, is not really just GMS based. Is does not have a large dose of gms. I'd suggest before saying you not respond well to GMS, to give bulk gms a try at a much higher dose, or glycergrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post

    I already use 2 scoops of hemavol. I shouldn't need any more GMS
    That's not entirely true. I notice a difference in 5gr vs 9gr of GMS, what you need is relative.

    Idk if you said you're not wanting to use stims but Jack3d Micro or Condense would work well. More of a "fat burner" OxyElite Pro thermogenic powder or Alphamine are solid products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    That's not entirely true. I notice a difference in 5gr vs 9gr of GMS, what you need is relative.

    Idk if you said you're not wanting to use stims but Jack3d Micro or Condense would work well. More of a "fat burner" OxyElite Pro thermogenic powder or Alphamine are solid products.
    Well, in my initial post I said that I noticed LESS of a pump (after downing supps) than what my pwo meal gave.. So if anything I'd imagine either I'm not giving enough time from when I eat my meal to downing my supps, or I'm not drinking enough H20.. I was consuming ~20 ounces w/ 2 scoops.. But I've recently found out its 20 oz per serving... Sooo I guess I'll have to experiment
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    I'm thinking about buying bulk Agmatine, Cit-mal, BA, and PLCAR.. Mix in some crystal light and call it a day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post

    Well, in my initial post I said that I noticed LESS of a pump (after downing supps) than what my pwo meal gave.. So if anything I'd imagine either I'm not giving enough time from when I eat my meal to downing my supps, or I'm not drinking enough H20.. I was consuming ~20 ounces w/ 2 scoops.. But I've recently found out its 20 oz per serving... Sooo I guess I'll have to experiment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    That's not entirely true. I notice a difference in 5gr vs 9gr of GMS, what you need is relative.
    this, but OP is saying he thinks he's not responding well to the GMS. no need to add or buy another GMS product if that is the case of whats not settling well with him.

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    you're going to love the Conquer + our potassium Nitrate, KNO3 should give u some serious pumps, not to mentions theres tons of other benefits to nitrates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    I'm thinking about buying bulk Agmatine, Cit-mal, BA, and PLCAR.. Mix in some crystal light and call it a day...
    I have done this many times and enjoyed it,solid stack for a pre.Although I tend to like ALCAR better as a stand alone than PLCAR,but that's just my personal opinion.Throw in some leucine and Creatine,and you have a top notch stack!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack411 View Post
    I have done this many times and enjoyed it,solid stack for a pre.Although I tend to like ALCAR better as a stand alone than PLCAR,but that's just my personal opinion.Throw in some leucine and Creatine,and you have a top notch stack!
    I find PLCAR to provide better pumps when combined with Citrulline/Agmatine however i find i get more of a mental effect from the ALCAR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adizzle1 View Post
    I find PLCAR to provide better pumps when combined with Citrulline/Agmatine however i find i get more of a mental effect from the ALCAR.
    I agree with that,I guess when not using stims I am going more for the cognitive effects than the pumps.
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    Suggestions for dosing for each of these? I'm tryin to work out the math per serving to see how much I'd be saving..
    Cit-Mal 100g
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    Caffeine 200mg (100 caps)
    For 72 bucks..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Suggestions for dosing for each of these? I'm tryin to work out the math per serving to see how much I'd be saving..
    Cit-Mal 100g
    PLCAR 100g
    BA 100g
    Agmatine 50g
    Caffeine 200mg (100 caps)
    For 72 bucks..
    Cit Mal anywhere from 3-9g (I prefer the 6-9g range).
    PLCAR 2-3g
    BA 4-6g spread throughout the day
    Agmatine .5-1g

    All can be taken pre-workout just also take the BA at other times and on off days (I take Agmatine and PLCAR on off days as well).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Cit Mal anywhere from 3-9g (I prefer the 6-9g range).
    PLCAR 2-3g
    BA 4-6g spread throughout the day
    Agmatine .5-1g

    All can be taken pre-workout just also take the BA at other times and on off days (I take Agmatine and PLCAR on off days as well).
    This is what I would suggest also.
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    Okay I did some math here based on the amount of each ingredient per serving.. I bought amounts of each that would get me ~50 workouts worth. Checkout total is $110. Most other PWO's are 30-40 bucks for ~32 servings.. But I usually end up using 2 scoops of each so call it 16 workouts worth of PWO. So 3 times as many workouts, but with the initial cost of 110, if my math is right, it should come out about even..So really by buying the ingredients separately I can pay about the same amount, but know exactly how much of each I'm getting.. Sounds like a good deal to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    Okay I did some math here based on the amount of each ingredient per serving.. I bought amounts of each that would get me ~50 workouts worth. Checkout total is $110. Most other PWO's are 30-40 bucks for ~32 servings.. But I usually end up using 2 scoops of each so call it 16 workouts worth of PWO. So 3 times as many workouts, but with the initial cost of 110, if my math is right, it should come out about even..So really by buying the ingredients separately I can pay about the same amount, but know exactly how much of each I'm getting.. Sounds like a good deal to me.
    I like to have the supplements you listed in bulk anyways. Many different uses for each of them throughout the day. So it seems like a win to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    I like to have the supplements you listed in bulk anyways. Many different uses for each of them throughout the day. So it seems like a win to me.
    I figure I'm gonna spend that amount eventually in pwo supps by early September so why not just do it all at once. Get dosages that are on point and only pay shipping and handling once..Thanks for the info about dosing kbayne
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    I figure I'm gonna spend that amount eventually in pwo supps by early September so why not just do it all at once. Get dosages that are on point and only pay shipping and handling once..Thanks for the info about dosing kbayne
    I hear ya and no problem.
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    the beta alanine dosing must be off or something for nutraplanets BA.. I used 3 scoops which is supposed to be 2150mg.. But it felt like WAYY too much. I compared to the amount in C4 and 2 scoops is supposed to be 3000 mg and I don't get anywhere near the tingling sensations I got today from my custom pwo blend
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    1 scoop of body octane has me all tingly at 1600mg
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    1 scoop of body octane has me all tingly at 1600mg
    I felt like electricity was running through me today lol. I got in position to warm up for deadlifts and the first rep I felt my body light up haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post

    I felt like electricity was running through me today lol. I got in position to warm up for deadlifts and the first rep I felt my body light up haha
    That's awesome! Body Octane baby! Add some agmatine for an even crazier pump!
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