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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Srsly? Hmm I need to look at it I've always just kind of dismissed it
    Expensive as fark that is why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    Expensive as fark that is why.
    Not really worth the money IMO

    Overlooked for that reason I suppose
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    Worth a try man..GMS is a great addition but definitely not a requirement to see some great gains regardless...
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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    Worth a try man..GMS is a great addition but definitely not a requirement to see some great gains regardless...
    Its a requirement for me :P gms is just way to awesome IMO.mike
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    If I run a full 200 count bottle of xfa, I have to wait 7 weeks to run another? Being a fatty acid why the need to cycle off? Also is 4 pwo the best dosing method? Is there any advantage to going higher? I'm on day 3 and looking forward to see what this is all about, first cycle I've done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalducki View Post
    If I run a full 200 count bottle of xfa, I have to wait 7 weeks to run another? Being a fatty acid why the need to cycle off? Also is 4 pwo the best dosing method? Is there any advantage to going higher? I'm on day 3 and looking forward to see what this is all about, first cycle I've done.
    4 preWO is the best dosing protocol.

    Essentially, the reason why you will see such great results is that going into the cycle your muscles have depleted amounts of arachidonic acid, from your training. Once you have used roughly 50 days worth of usage, most users report their gains continue weeks after their cycle has ended as their muscles are well saturated with arachidonic acid.

    There is certainly a point of diminished returns with X-Factor/arachidonic acid regarding both cycle length and dosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalducki View Post
    If I run a full 200 count bottle of xfa, I have to wait 7 weeks to run another? Being a fatty acid why the need to cycle off? Also is 4 pwo the best dosing method? Is there any advantage to going higher? I'm on day 3 and looking forward to see what this is all about, first cycle I've done.
    People usually dose pre-workout 1-2 grams (4-8 caps). For your first run 4 caps will be good.

    Run for 50 days followed by a 50 day break.
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    Stacking it with anabeta would be interesting
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    I picked up 3 bottles of prime which I've never tried before so I'm stacking it with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalducki View Post
    I picked up 3 bottles of prime which I've never tried before so I'm stacking it with that.
    Have you never ran ArA either? If not, I wouldn't stack both at the same time until you have ran them separately to get a feel for each supplement and how they work for you.
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    I don't care which does what honestly, I feel theyll be synergistic
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalducki View Post
    I just want results.
    Everyone is different, but I like to run products solo first. I don't really want to spend money on supplements and not even know if they are working or not when stacking with another product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalducki View Post
    Time is more valuable than money. If one or the other is working, or they're working better together, I'm after results.

    I think his point was that youll get the best idea of results purely related to eavh individual product by running them seperately (and figuring out what works best for you). This is done by minimizing the variables.
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    Yeah I get that but, I'd rather just run them both and see what the results are. To each their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalducki View Post
    If I run a full 200 count bottle of xfa, I have to wait 7 weeks to run another? Being a fatty acid why the need to cycle off? Also is 4 pwo the best dosing method? Is there any advantage to going higher? I'm on day 3 and looking forward to see what this is all about, first cycle I've done.
    My guess would be, chronic inflammation is a no good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsbhaver View Post

    Not really worth the money IMO

    Overlooked for that reason I suppose
    My guess is it's been around for so long everyone dismisses it and focuses more on what just came out.
    It is DEFINITELY worth the money in my eyes. ARA is the single best body recomp/anabolic compound out there, I run it as a bridge between cycles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    My guess is it's been around for so long everyone dismisses it and focuses more on what just came out.
    It is DEFINITELY worth the money in my eyes. ARA is the single best body recomp/anabolic compound out there, I run it as a bridge between cycles.
    Anabeta is a very close second.
    You're right, I've never tried it personally so I can't judge it. The profile is ok.

    Would rather get x gels
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsbhaver View Post

    You're right, I've never tried it personally so I can't judge it. The profile is ok.

    Would rather get x gels
    Oh you missed what I did there
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Oh you missed what I did there
    I made it look like you were talking about X Gels. MUAHAHAHAHA
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    So much hype lately surrounding them that I cracked and ordered x-gels, will be running stacked with Prime in a month when I'm trying to slow bulk again.
    I've seen mentioned to avoid fish oil pills with them, should I drop them entirely for my run or just space out the doses?
    And to be safe I will ask if there is anything else I should avoid stacking with x-gels
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    So much hype lately surrounding them that I cracked and ordered x-gels, will be running stacked with Prime in a month when I'm trying to slow bulk again.
    I've seen mentioned to avoid fish oil pills with them, should I drop them entirely for my run or just space out the doses?
    And to be safe I will ask if there is anything else I should avoid stacking with x-gels
    Anything with anti inflammatory effects should be dosed hours apart
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalducki View Post
    If I run a full 200 count bottle of xfa, I have to wait 7 weeks to run another? Being a fatty acid why the need to cycle off? Also is 4 pwo the best dosing method? Is there any advantage to going higher? I'm on day 3 and looking forward to see what this is all about, first cycle I've done.
    From what I've seen all the studies done have shown a safety range of 50 days hence, the 50 day cycle. Anything outside of that is not "clinically studied" I do however think Bill MN runs ArA low dosed consistently.

    It's an exciting time for ArA as more and more info is popping up really supporting what Bill was saying long ago. There are still quite a few unknowns in regards to ArA as well. Such as ArA showing possible anti inflammatory properties... crazy I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    From what I've seen all the studies done have shown a safety range of 50 days hence, the 50 day cycle. Anything outside of that is not "clinically studied" I do however think Bill MN runs ArA low dosed consistently.

    It's an exciting time for ArA as more and more info is popping up really supporting what Bill was saying long ago. There are still quite a few unknowns in regards to ArA as well. Such as ArA showing possible anti inflammatory properties... crazy I know.
    Correct, the reason we settled on 50 days was that was the duration used in a safety study at that time. We also more recently have been recommending the lower dose of 250-500mg/day, for longer durations. We do still recommend to cycle off occasionally though even if doing the low dose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    From what I've seen all the studies done have shown a safety range of 50 days hence, the 50 day cycle. Anything outside of that is not "clinically studied" I do however think Bill MN runs ArA low dosed consistently.

    It's an exciting time for ArA as more and more info is popping up really supporting what Bill was saying long ago. There are still quite a few unknowns in regards to ArA as well. Such as ArA showing possible anti inflammatory properties... crazy I know.

    Yup, gonna be bumping down to 250mg/day after my 50 day cycle.
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    How much is in each cap of XFA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    So much hype lately surrounding them that I cracked and ordered x-gels, will be running stacked with Prime in a month when I'm trying to slow bulk again.
    I've seen mentioned to avoid fish oil pills with them, should I drop them entirely for my run or just space out the doses?
    And to be safe I will ask if there is anything else I should avoid stacking with x-gels
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalducki View Post
    How much is in each cap of XFA?
    250mg of Ara

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Space them out. Will you be logging the xgels ? If so send me a link~~I like to send out shirts
    I will when I start them up
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    I think one thing people need to look at with ArA is how effective it is on its own. It is an expensive single ingredient, but based on results it is on par with many comprehensive blends of ingredients. I already miss taking my X-gels pills since I ran out last week.
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    ^^ this. Very effective on its own, my first run with it was solo and had great results...and have run it in some pretty large stacks with very similar results...I try to be less stack happy these days...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    I think one thing people need to look at with ArA is how effective it is on its own. It is an expensive single ingredient, but based on results it is on par with many comprehensive blends of ingredients. I already miss taking my X-gels pills since I ran out last week.
    This, I always tell people to limit the variables when trying new products. Additionally, it is more always more rewarding (for us and the users) when they get great results and can attribute it only to the X-Factor rather than a $200 stack of products x, y and z.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    This, I always tell people to limit the variables when trying new products. Additionally, it is more always more rewarding (for us and the users) when they get great results and can attribute it only to the X-Factor rather than a $200 stack of products x, y and z.
    This lol

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    I have a question regarding ArA uptake..

    From Neuron's post on another board:

    "In the context of Arachidonic Acid, the final destination should be skeletal muscle. Luckily, there is an energetic state which favors fatty acid delievery to this tissue: Exercise (or acute starvation) [1]. In an exercise-induced environment, LPL on skeletal muscle becomes active which serves as an adjunct to glycolysis for the TCA cycle via beta-oxidation. Similarly, the enzyme DGAT also becomes active in skeletal muscle which functions to store excess fatty acids as triglycerides. Since both of these enzymes are heavily active during exercise, it is clear that an excess of fatty acids are being removed from blood plasma into skeletal muscle as a reservoir (this also serves to decrease insulin insensitivity [2])."

    Based on the green highlight, could one get a similar result from dosing ArA after a 16-20 hour fast on non-workout days? just curious because I have less gym access during the summer and with work coming into play I was wondering if this could be beneficial for weeks where I can only manage 2-3 workout days. Good idea, bad idea?
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    I am definitely running this solo

    So what exact effects does everyone get apart from the obvious DOMS and strength wise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wocheezy View Post
    I have a question regarding ArA uptake..

    From Neuron's post on another board:

    "In the context of Arachidonic Acid, the final destination should be skeletal muscle. Luckily, there is an energetic state which favors fatty acid delievery to this tissue: Exercise (or acute starvation) [1]. In an exercise-induced environment, LPL on skeletal muscle becomes active which serves as an adjunct to glycolysis for the TCA cycle via beta-oxidation. Similarly, the enzyme DGAT also becomes active in skeletal muscle which functions to store excess fatty acids as triglycerides. Since both of these enzymes are heavily active during exercise, it is clear that an excess of fatty acids are being removed from blood plasma into skeletal muscle as a reservoir (this also serves to decrease insulin insensitivity [2])."

    Based on the green highlight, could one get a similar result from dosing ArA after a 16-20 hour fast on non-workout days? just curious because I have less gym access during the summer and with work coming into play I was wondering if this could be beneficial for weeks where I can only manage 2-3 workout days. Good idea, bad idea?
    yes empty stomach is reccomended on non workout days but you really only need it on workout days. Maybe once your saturated after a week or two you can just take it on workout days. I would just use 6-8 caps on the workout weeks where you can only train 2-3 times, and forget taking it on the rest days.
  

  
 

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