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  1. THANKS


    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    I would just drop fish oil and CLA while taking ArA. If you do want to continue taking them, yes 6 hours away from ArA will be good as well as Cissus and Burn24.
    OK THANKS, YEAH I'LL DROP THE CLA AND FISH OIL I DON'T DESPERATELY NEED IT OR ANYTHING BUT IM NOT TOO CLEAR ON WHAT YOUR SAYING IN REGARDS TO THE BURN24? I KNOW CISSUS XT WOULD BE DOSED 6 HRS AWAY BUT DOES THAT GO FOR THE BURN 24 AS WELL? IT HAS 100MG OF CISSUS IN IT NOT SURE IF THATS ENOUGH TO AFFECT ARA OR NOT?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by eddiesr123 View Post

    OK THANKS, YEAH I'LL DROP THE CLA AND FISH OIL I DON'T DESPERATELY NEED IT OR ANYTHING BUT IM NOT TOO CLEAR ON WHAT YOUR SAYING IN REGARDS TO THE BURN24? I KNOW CISSUS XT WOULD BE DOSED 6 HRS AWAY BUT DOES THAT GO FOR THE BURN 24 AS WELL? IT HAS 100MG OF CISSUS IN IT NOT SURE IF THATS ENOUGH TO AFFECT ARA OR NOT?
    No I doubt 100mg of Cissus in Burn24 will affect ArA. I wasn't sure how much cissus was in Burn24. You should be good to dose it whenever.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post

    Thanks for your support!

    Both X-Factor original and X-Factor Advanced are currently available in two sizes: 100ct and 200ct bottles.

    Within two weeks one of the major e-tailers will have the exclusive 200ct X-Factor for cheap and the other will have the exclusive X-Factor Advanced 200ct, also for very cheap. These will be the way to go if you are a UK customer. And of course everybody else will have the 100ct versions of both.

    The 60ct has been long discontinued in favor of the 100ct.
    Your welcome, credit where credit is due. Most places have the 60ct of X-Factor but I haven't seen the 100ct about. Oh really!? So the 200ct will be available in the UK? are you able to hint whom will have the 200ct version... I'm excited, hopefully will be affordable
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by eddiesr123 View Post
    OK THANKS, YEAH I'LL DROP THE CLA AND FISH OIL I DON'T DESPERATELY NEED IT OR ANYTHING BUT IM NOT TOO CLEAR ON WHAT YOUR SAYING IN REGARDS TO THE BURN24? I KNOW CISSUS XT WOULD BE DOSED 6 HRS AWAY BUT DOES THAT GO FOR THE BURN 24 AS WELL? IT HAS 100MG OF CISSUS IN IT NOT SURE IF THATS ENOUGH TO AFFECT ARA OR NOT?
    Yea avoid fish oil, I take cissus/fish oil soon as I wake up and workout late evening , have been working great

    As for burn24, 45mg cissus per cap is less , I suppose if u were taking 2caps it would be allright with XF original or xgels
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Alasel View Post
    Your welcome, credit where credit is due. Most places have the 60ct of X-Factor but I haven't seen the 100ct about. Oh really!? So the 200ct will be available in the UK? are you able to hint whom will have the 200ct version... I'm excited, hopefully will be affordable
    Yea, within two weeks everybody should have stock of both 100ct XFO and XFA, and of course the XFA 200ct is already available in the UK and there will also be the one other store with XFO 200ct.

    Shoot me an email tim (at) mnbody dot com for more info if you are having trouble locating our products.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post

    Yea, within two weeks everybody should have stock of both 100ct XFO and XFA, and of course the XFA 200ct is already available in the UK and there will also be the one other store with XFO 200ct.

    Shoot me an email tim (at) mnbody dot com for more info if you are having trouble locating our products.
    What are your thoughts of long term use of Ara at a lower amount, say 250-500mg per day?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Alasel View Post

    What are your thoughts of long term use of Ara at a lower amount, say 250-500mg per day?
    How many weeks aqua re you talking about when you say long term?

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  8. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    How many weeks aqua re you talking about when you say long term?
    This is a good question, long term inflammation would not be a good thing...
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by NomZ View Post
    This is a good question, long term inflammation would not be a good thing...
    Yea 7-8 weeks would be the max I would go even at a low dose

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  10. Quote Originally Posted by NomZ View Post
    This is a good question, long term inflammation would not be a good thing...
    I thought it was local inflammation, specifically in muscle tissue. I'm sure I read that W Llewelyn takes one (250mg) everyday when asked what his supplement regime was... I'm just curious as its found in food, so why would you have to cycle it? It's high in eggs for example but I eat them for long duration. I'm just theorising but someone with better knowledge maybe of the scientific facts please correct me

  11. Bill and I, as well as others close to us have ran 250mg and 500mg per day protocols with good success. While we do occasionally surpass 50 days when doing so, we do not recommend to take it continuously. Be sure to take regular breaks, time on = time off is always a good rule/rough guideline to follow with most ergogenic supplements.
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  12. Due to its pro-inflammatory properties, would Ara possibly increase the chance of injury?
    For example, since I have some shoulder problems would I encounter more issues while on ArA? Has anyone experienced this?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by doggy_dog View Post
    Due to its pro-inflammatory properties, would Ara possibly increase the chance of injury?
    For example, since I have some shoulder problems would I encounter more issues while on ArA? Has anyone experienced this?
    If you have a pre-existing injury, it may aggravate that injury.

    Some people go ahead anyways and can handle it, others not. I was running 1.5-2g X-Gels for a while with a bum elbow, I just did not dose on upper body days and took my Cissus XT later in the day.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by doggy_dog View Post
    Due to its pro-inflammatory properties, would Ara possibly increase the chance of injury?
    For example, since I have some shoulder problems would I encounter more issues while on ArA? Has anyone experienced this?
    I think it would depend heavily on what the pre-existing injury is. I've got a few, but I don't find them to be any less manageable due to ArA supplementation.
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  15. ^ Thanks for the responses.

    I guess I'll give it a shot and see how it goes.
    Crossing my fingers that it works out and I dont end up crippled.

  16. With inflammation being a large part of the bodies natural healing process, we've heard many say that small cuts/wounds seem to actually heal faster while on X-Factor.

    In the instance of dealing with a current injury though, I always play it safe and do not take arachidonic acid until I'm pretty well healed.

    Much like anti hero's feedback, I have a few small nagging injuries, they dont seem to nag me any more or less while on X-Factor or X-Factor Advanced. It seems to be a non issue for most.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by doggy_dog View Post
    ^ Thanks for the responses.

    I guess I'll give it a shot and see how it goes.
    Crossing my fingers that it works out and I dont end up crippled.
    You can always dose Cissus after ArA (I dose Cissus XT about 6hrs after X-gels) if it does start to become a problem; or run it at a lower dose.
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  18. ArA doesn't seem to aggravate any existing complaints I have.

    I always seem to get mild tendonitis in my elbow as well as noticing more joint stiffness throughout my body whilst on it but nothing major.
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  19. Thanks, guys.

    I will report back with my experience after running ArA.

  20. Thanks, guys.

    I will report back with my experience after running ArA.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by doggy_dog View Post
    Thanks, guys.

    I will report back with my experience after running ArA.
    Awesome, im loving my run right now

  22. Looking forward to hearing your feedback.

    I just got off the phone a little while ago with one of our customers who said he personally gets a noticeable amount of joint pain with the original but not the Advanced, something one of our old reps used to often tell me, and something we see reported fairly frequently on the forums as well.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Awesome, im loving my run right now
    once u get hooked to aRa .. No returning back
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by GQNemesis View Post
    once u get hooked to aRa .. No returning back
    haha yep, ArA Addicts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alasel View Post
    I thought it was local inflammation, specifically in muscle tissue. I'm sure I read that W Llewelyn takes one (250mg) everyday when asked what his supplement regime was... I'm just curious as its found in food, so why would you have to cycle it? It's high in eggs for example but I eat them for long duration. I'm just theorising but someone with better knowledge maybe of the scientific facts please correct me
    The same goes for your diet everything in moderation. You don't want to consume too many oils, fats etc that are high in omega 6's because it could down regulate omega 3 etc... You don't want to be too heavy on either side for a consistently long amount of time; omega 3's or 6's. Nor do you want to consistently take any supplement, vitamin, mineral etc for any long amount of time because of down regulation of other important nutrients in the body.

    The trials thus far have shown a safety profile of 50 days. outside of that your venturing into unknown territory except what is known about the consumption of diets high in omega 6 for long amounts of time

  26. Got some X-Gels.. will be running soon/eventually
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    Got some X-Gels.. will be running soon/eventually
    Prepare to grow

    Edit: you should be running Glycophase soon as well

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  28. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post

    Prepare to grow

    Edit: you should be running Glycophase soon as well
    He may not have has a chance to reply as he most likely passed out after reading this...
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    Looking forward to hearing your feedback.

    I just got off the phone a little while ago with one of our customers who said he personally gets a noticeable amount of joint pain with the original but not the Advanced, something one of our old reps used to often tell me, and something we see reported fairly frequently on the forums as well.
    Hmmm.. do I hear an X-Gel Advanced coming up??

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Duywayne View Post
    Hmmm.. do I hear an X-Gel Advanced coming up??
    SwolenONE was referring to X-Factor Advanced (made by Molecular Nutrition the company he reps for).

  31. Agreed. Compare X-Gels to the original X-Factor, not X-Factor advanced.

  32. Quote Originally Posted by cubs1987 View Post
    SwolenONE was referring to X-Factor Advanced (made by Molecular Nutrition the company he reps for).
    I know i was saying SNS should do an X-Factor Advanced. May not necessarily with fish oil but other components to help increase the effect effect (ie LCLT)

  33. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Prepare to grow

    Edit: you should be running Glycophase soon as well
    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    He may not have has a chance to reply as he most likely passed out after reading this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duywayne View Post
    Hmmm.. do I hear an X-Gel Advanced coming up??
    Not likely man... X-gels and OG X Factor seem to be the favored formulas so we'll probably just stick with that

    I'm in no way discrediting advanced but in general ArA solo seems to have the most consistently positive feedback.

  35. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Not likely man... X-gels and OG X Factor seem to be the favored formulas so we'll probably just stick with that

    I'm in no way discrediting advanced but in general ArA solo seems to have the most consistently positive feedback.
    This pretty much sums up why:
    PGE3 is synthesized from omega-3 fatty acids (like DHA/EPA), and this acts as an anti-inflammatory. PGF2, on the otherhand, is synthesized from omega-6 fatty acids, and this acts as a pro-inflammatory agent. Arachidonic Acid (ArA) is a omega-6 fatty acid, therefore it synthesizes PGF2, and acts as a pro-inflammatory, while omega-3s act as an anti-inflammatory. While research suggests that the anti-inflammatory effects of omega-3s don't inhibit the pro-inflammatory effects of omega-6s (such as ArA) to a significant degree, there is still an extremely important conflict with supplementing omega-3s at the same time as ArA: they both compete for the same enzymes, and they are both stored in the same storage sites in cell membranes. That means when you supplement omega-3 fatty acids with ArA (or any other omega-6 fatty acid), there is competition between the two and you don't get the full effects of the two. In addition, chronic omega-3 can alter the make up of the fatty acid content in the cell membrane, which in turn alters the effects of ArA. Therefore, to get the best bang for your buck from ArA supplementation, one should not use ArA at the same time as omega-3 fatty acids like DHA/EPA. If one wants to continue to use fish oil while supplementing ArA, they should use it on opposite ends of the day.


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  36. no advance from sns .. I wouldn't mind if they add 100mg of Agmatine per cap lmao
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  37. ^^^

    Agmatine and ArA make for some wicked pumps, Im using Test Powder (which has a 1g dose of agmatine) right now and Ive blown away with the pumps.


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  38. My own research lol ty guys for the info
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  39. Quote Originally Posted by TheMovement View Post
    My own research lol ty guys for the info
    Cant wait to hear how you like X-Factor, thanks for the PM!
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  40. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    Cant wait to hear how you like X-Factor, thanks for the PM!
    I'm sure he'll love it
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