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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo
    Agreed with Mikes assessment, much better things for heart health and especially hypertension for that matter. That's why you don't see it used much in those capacities.
    I love my coreg and enalapril!

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    I'm good with my beta blocker and ACE, went from <10% to in the 50%'s in about 4 or so years time many years ago.....but anything that could help is worth looking into. As for doctors, my cardiologist never prescribed me a beta blocker....for a cardiomyopathy patient with an EF of <10% who's one biggest need was to lower his heart rate (other than piss out the excess water), my GP that I saw a short while later suggested it and gave me sample boxes of it. w/o that? I'd probably be dead. Something to think about when putting your life in the hands of some of these "specialists". But this thread is more about ED med's, and more specifically "ED" usage of "ED" meds . And I agree, the anti-ED effects have to attenuate quickly with daily or EOD use.....just seems logical. But then again my ACE and beta blocker seem to keep my BP and heart rate at steady levels for years and years at a time at the same dosage as a comparison....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic
    I'm good with my beta blocker and ACE, went from <10% to in the 50%'s in about 4 or so years time many years ago.....but anything that could help is worth looking into. As for doctors, my cardiologist never prescribed me a beta blocker....for a cardiomyopathy patient with an EF of <10% who's one biggest need was to lower his heart rate (other than piss out the excess water), my GP that I saw a short while later suggested it and gave me sample boxes of it. w/o that? I'd probably be dead. Something to think about when putting your life in the hands of some of these "specialists". But this thread is more about ED med's, and more specifically "ED" usage of "ED" meds . And I agree, the anti-ED effects have to attenuate quickly with daily or EOD use.....just seems logical. But then again my ACE and beta blocker seem to keep my BP and heart rate at steady levels for years and years at a time at the same dosage as a comparison....
    Well coreg alpha beta blocker is what has greatly enhanced my ejection fraction and my ace reversed my left ventricular hypertrophy that is suspected to be a result of un diagnosed childhood sleep apnea. My daytime sleepiness was always blamed on lifting and playing ice hockey everyday.. nobody would listen when i said i wake every hour panting and heart racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Well coreg alpha beta blocker is what has greatly enhanced my ejection fraction and my ace reversed my left ventricular hypertrophy that is suspected to be a result of un diagnosed childhood sleep apnea. My daytime sleepiness was always blamed on lifting and playing ice hockey everyday.. nobody would listen when i said i wake every hour panting and heart racing.

    Mike
    oddly enough same thing here, and same medications as well. But I got symptoms later in life, like maybe late 20's early 30's...probably from using too many OTC stims like ephedrine etc? or other OTC stuff from that era? I mean GHB was legal and OTC then so imagine what else was lol. Also I am sure there was a genetic predisposition present. If you are athletic and/or muscular/lean built....they always want to assume you are healthy and there is no way you could have some life threatening issue. That fact, and being able to overcome the symptoms (from being "tough" and hearty), work against you since the symptoms can't bring you down like they would a person living a more unhealthy lifestyle who would succumb much more quickly....and it can go undiagnosed until you REALLY can't breath just from walking around!
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    Nothing ever works as well as original Aspire36!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Nothing ever works as well as original Aspire36!
    They proved it was spiked with tadalafil (active substance in Cialis) which takes us back to PDE5 as your main bet for erection - that's still dependent on your libido level.

    Only thing that would cause erection without being horny is PGE1 aka alprostadil injected straight into your penis.

    Interestingly they made alprostadil in form of cream to put on your dick 5min before action and approved to sell in Canada by name Vitaros (license to own and sell was bought by Abbott) already last year but probably to no surprise it's not in interest of PDE5 drug selling companies to come out yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post

    They proved it was spiked with tadalafil (active substance in Cialis) which takes us back to PDE5 as your main bet for erection - that's still dependent on your libido level.

    Only thing that would cause erection without being horny is PGE1 aka alprostadil injected straight into your penis.

    Interestingly they made alprostadil in form of cream to put on your dick 5min before action and approved to sell in Canada by name Vitaros (license to own and sell was bought by Abbott) already last year but probably to no surprise it's not in interest of PDE5 drug selling companies to come out yet.
    It wasnt spiked with Cialis. It contained to different analogs. Ive tried Cialis & it barely works for me, but Aspire was insane!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    It wasnt spiked with Cialis. It contained to different analogs. Ive tried Cialis & it barely works for me, but Aspire was insane!
    Correct they had spike it with 2x PDE5 inhibitors - one similar to sildenafil (Viagra).

    http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/Ar.../ucm112386.htm

    Wouldn't mind testing it myself as well hehe.

    Weird no other OTC product was copied later with similar blend or sold outside US and marketed as "New Aspire 36".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post

    Correct they had spike it with 2x PDE5 inhibitors - one similar to sildenafil (Viagra).

    http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/Ar.../ucm112386.htm

    Wouldn't mind testing it myself as well hehe.

    Weird no other OTC product was copied later with similar blend or sold outside US and marketed as "New Aspire 36".
    Dude I bought 12 bottlea, if i could of afforded it i would of bought 100! It was a lifesaver for massive bender weekends! Nothing compares to it! Im surprised no one ripped it either, including the owners of PAL!
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    Lol I still have a bottle laying around from the old PAL rep days
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic

    oddly enough same thing here, and same medications as well. But I got symptoms later in life, like maybe late 20's early 30's...probably from using too many OTC stims like ephedrine etc? or other OTC stuff from that era? I mean GHB was legal and OTC then so imagine what else was lol. Also I am sure there was a genetic predisposition present. If you are athletic and/or muscular/lean built....they always want to assume you are healthy and there is no way you could have some life threatening issue. That fact, and being able to overcome the symptoms (from being "tough" and hearty), work against you since the symptoms can't bring you down like they would a person living a more unhealthy lifestyle who would succumb much more quickly....and it can go undiagnosed until you REALLY can't breath just from walking around!
    Couldnt agree more. I kept hearing you are young and healthy, you excell at ice hockey weight lifting and cardio 7 days a week no wonder your tired. So one day.. i broke a rib in a game got the chest xray and found out i had left ventricular hypertrophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123 View Post
    Lol I still have a bottle laying around from the old PAL rep days
    Bro!!! What happened to PAL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV

    Bro!!! What happened to PAL?
    I had left the company before the end of PAL, so to be honest not sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123

    I had left the company before the end of PAL, so to be honest not sure.
    Did they merge with someone.. or completely gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench

    Did they merge with someone.. or completely gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123 View Post
    I had left the company before the end of PAL, so to be honest not sure.
    Then let PES takes over creating similar product as Aspire 36 and sell outside US hehe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123

    Then let PES takes over creating similar product as Aspire 36 and sell outside US hehe.
    Lol that won't be happening
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post

    Then let PES takes over creating similar product as Aspire 36 and sell outside US hehe.
    May as well just save yourself and PES the legal hassles and pick up some viagra and cialis from a legit RC....there are a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123

    Tried to pm, you're full
    I dont understand.. it says i have 56? Ill delete
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Can we have a SERIOUS and mature convo about this please. These threads rarely go well.

    Are there any supplements on the market that ***** these for erection enhancement?

    Not libido but ercetion quality.
    Most OTC products contain actual brand name PDE5 inhibitors such as cialis and viagra
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    81% of the products contained PDE5-inhibitor pharmaceutical ingredients (adalafil and/or sildenafil). Not only that but 18 out of the 74 products that tested positive also contained more than 110% of the highest approved drug product strength.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...12172/abstract
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh
    81% of the products contained PDE5-inhibitor pharmaceutical ingredients (adalafil and/or sildenafil). Not only that but 18 out of the 74 products that tested positive also contained more than 110% of the highest approved drug product strength.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...12172/abstract
    Now those are some impressive numbers!
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    Doubt it, Ive tried so many and did SFA.
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    Thumbs down


    And people wonder why the FDA wants to regulate supplements?

    It's pricks like these that ruin it for everyone.

    That sorta crap pisses me off.

    The dishonesty and blatant disregard for people with potential life-altering scenarios makes me vomit.


    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    81% of the products contained PDE5-inhibitor pharmaceutical ingredients (adalafil and/or sildenafil). Not only that but 18 out of the 74 products that tested positive also contained more than 110% of the highest approved drug product strength.

    Adulteration of Purported Herbal and Natural Sexual Performance Enhancement Dietary Supplements with Synthetic Phosphodiesterase Type 5 Inhibitors - Campbell - 2013 - The Journal of Sexual Medicine - Wiley Online Library
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    Now those are some impressive numbers!
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    If I could get my hands on what was in Aspire36! Honestly Cialis is hit and miss, but Aspire36 always worked for nearly 2 days! It was insane!

    SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT WAS IN IT, I will import it myself from China! LOL. I wonder what herb was spiked? Errr
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    If I could get my hands on what was in Aspire36! Honestly Cialis is hit and miss, but Aspire36 always worked for nearly 2 days! It was insane!

    SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT WAS IN IT, I will import it myself from China! LOL. I wonder what herb was spiked? Errr
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    I am learning that a lot of the OTC supps that work do this.

    That's.........WHY.......they work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post

    "The products were recalled because they were found to contain Aildenafil in trace amounts and Dimethyl sildenafil thione, an analog of Sildenafil, a drug used to treat erectile dysfunction"- FDA
    I wish I could find then! Im sure they were spiked naybe in that rare herbal conpound they used? Worked way better than Cialis.
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    There's nothing herbal about the contaminants ha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    There's nothing herbal about the contaminants ha
    They could of been placed within what PAL said was the main compound? Or been naturally occurring within it? Lol. I just wanna find it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    If I could get my hands on what was in Aspire36! Honestly Cialis is hit and miss, but Aspire36 always worked for nearly 2 days! It was insane!

    SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT WAS IN IT, I will import it myself from China! LOL. I wonder what herb was spiked? Errr
    Cialis is hit or miss? I think you are either using real or fake stuff lol.

    Pt 141 best thing out there, no only does it give you rock hard erections like cialis, but it makes you horny as hell as well, which cialis, viagra, etc. do not do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post

    Cialis is hit or miss? I think you are either using real or fake stuff lol.

    Pt 141 best thing out there, no only does it give you rock hard erections like cialis, but it makes you horny as hell as well, which cialis, viagra, etc. do not do.

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    Too bad you have to inject pt 141 cause this is not practical when traveling and some people or at customs could think you're a drug addict.

    Too bad there's no nasal spray for pt 141 application.
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    There is from what I recall seeing but the results were crap.

    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    Too bad you have to inject pt 141 cause this is not practical when traveling and some people or at customs could think you're a drug addict.

    Too bad there's no nasal spray for pt 141 application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    There is from what I recall seeing but the results were crap.
    I've only seen it mentioned that it can be used via nasal spray, I haven't actually seen it available in spray form.
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    I've seen a few places have it. It would stand to reason that obviously an injection would work better and believe it also helps eliminate some sides hypertension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post

    Cialis is hit or miss? I think you are either using real or fake stuff lol.

    Pt 141 best thing out there, no only does it give you rock hard erections like cialis, but it makes you horny as hell as well, which cialis, viagra, etc. do not do.

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    Ive tried from different sources, barely works for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Cialis is hit or miss? I think you are either using real or fake stuff lol.

    Pt 141 best thing out there, no only does it give you rock hard erections like cialis, but it makes you horny as hell as well, which cialis, viagra, etc. do not do.

    Mike
    Mike what type of dosing have you found to be best?
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    I have used both of these products and they work really well overall. I like to stack these products with var personally it works really well. I usually run these products together and they really do wonders for me. Next time you are thinking of running one of these products run it with some var.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jstrong20 View Post
    You can get potassium nitrate caps dirt cheap and it works great. Lol I pay 12 dollars for 60 days worth.


    Sorry this is a few months old but isn't potassium nitrate known as salt peter? I thought this reduced erections? Thanks for any info you can provide!
  

  
 

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