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  1. Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    I've heard you warn people about nitrate toxicity plenty of times in no way referring to a product in particular. Thank you for bringing up these points. You have said the same thing to people stacking enhanced with other nitrate products so to say it is a biased response is completely untrue. Thanks for the info coop as always.
    well of course -

    if I was a rep for the same company where my R&D guy attacked another company, making insults and knocking the integrity of said company in uncalled for fashion --

    I too would speak up vociferously to defend my co-worker



  2. Guys, I'm done on AM. If you have any questions or concerns about ANY topic, I will be happy to answer you as always at my email address. I apologize to this great community and all the good people here, perhaps we canbe together down the road
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The study on Garden Veggies is absolutely incorrect. Not only are their calculations wrong, but I tried the product and it yielded no results. A very, very poorly written segment.

    What am I gonna do with this garbage?! My seven dollars, no!

  4. in point of education to the forum pertaining to our formulation of Max Pump, please note:

    Potassium nitrate and sodium nitrate that other supplement companies are using can be harmful to people's health.
    These ingredients are used to make explosives and used in gun powder.
    Our betaine nitrate is naturally occurring in red beets and we figured out a way to manufacture and extract bonded betaine nitrate.

    We do not publicly disclose how much nitrates is contained in this product (we don't disclose the manufacturing process of the ingredient); no one outside of our R&D and ppl who need to know, know the actual amount..it is a bonded material. Its not betaine plus nitrates.

    It is a reacted material that makes up one ingredient called betaine nitrate. When you test for bonded material it will have one single peak that represents the melting point.

    what has been discussed here, in regards to any concerns over Max Pump, toxicity, has been totally irrelevant and based on no factual support pertaining to our formulation..the fact any such accusations have been made - without knowing pertinent information - is rather unconscionable

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Guys, I'm done on AM. If you have any questions or concerns about ANY topic, I will be happy to answer you as always at my email address. I apologize to this great community and all the good people here, perhaps we canbe together down the road
    WTF my seven dollars doesn't seem like such a big deal now.

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  6. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    in point of education to the forum pertaining to our formulation of Max Pump, please note:

    Potassium nitrate and sodium nitrate that other supplement companies are using can be harmful to people's health.
    These ingredients are used to make explosives and used in gun powder.
    Our betaine nitrate is naturally occurring in red beets and we figured out a way to manufacture and extract bonded betaine nitrate.

    We do not publicly disclose how much nitrates is contained in this product (we don't disclose the manufacturing process of the ingredient); no one outside of our R&D and ppl who need to know, know the actual amount..it is a bonded material. Its not betaine plus nitrates.

    It is a reacted material that makes up one ingredient called betaine nitrate. When you test for bonded material it will have one single peak that represents the melting point.
    the simple truth is SNAG - your "warnings" seem a little biased

    a great many ppl are currently/have been consuming multiple KNO3 or Sodium Nitrate-containing products, for yrs..
    stacking items seems to be the popular method these days

    we thank you for your concern to the public, insofar as our product formulations go..
    this might be the first time of course you have chosen to take your time and critique our product[as well as other products containing nitrates]

    as for claiming a "clear conscience" - well I feel that doesn't even deserve response, but please -
    worry yourself not about Nitrates sources in general conscience and how we conduct ourselves, and construct our products..
    we simply have no issues here
    seems like you would have your hands full with your own products, but again thank you for your efforts

    you running around in your current capacity pointing fingers at other companies - as a representative of FINAFLEX company - does nothing but make you look bad..if this is the marketing tactic you guys wish to employ, then good luck; how you conduct yourself is no concern to us, unless I am drawn in here to (once again) clarify accusations against companies making Nitrate products made to the forum in general when we are under unprovoked and unfounded personal attack as to character and integrity

    best to you

  7. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    in point of education to the forum pertaining to our formulation of Max Pump, please note:

    Potassium nitrate and sodium nitrate that other supplement companies are using can be harmful to people's health.
    These ingredients are used to make explosives and used in gun powder.
    Our betaine nitrate is naturally occurring in red beets and we figured out a way to manufacture and extract bonded betaine nitrate.

    We do not publicly disclose how much nitrates is contained in this product (we don't disclose the manufacturing process of the ingredient); no one outside of our R&D and ppl who need to know, know the actual amount..it is a bonded material. Its not betaine plus nitrates.

    It is a reacted material that makes up one ingredient called betaine nitrate. When you test for bonded material it will have one single peak that represents the melting point.

    what has been discussed here, in regards to any concerns over Max Pump, toxicity, has been totally irrelevant and based on no factual support pertaining to our formulation..the fact any such accusations have been made - without knowing pertinent information - is rather unconscionable
    such misinformation here.

    #1 - Your product is in direct patent violation, how is your lawsuit with Thermolife going?
    #2 - Potassium Nitrate is also used in food products such as meat and deli meats.


    I love how you use bro-science to try and make your product look better. its amazing.
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager

  8. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    such misinformation here.

    #1 - Your product is in direct patent violation, how is your lawsuit with Thermolife going?
    #2 - Potassium Nitrate is also used in food products such as meat and deli meats.


    I love how you use bro-science to try and make your product look better. its amazing.
    once again I will decline to engage in back & forth with you, VT

    if you have any questions regarding litigation or the status of such, you can e-mail the company directly for that information..
    since there is nothing really to talk about including the basis of such frivolous litigation, i'll not waste the time here

    take care

  9. Quote Originally Posted by thedarce View Post
    the simple truth is SNAG - your "warnings" seem a little biased
    the fact is - in the right amounts, I do not dispute this information as an opinion!

    Potassium nitrate and sodium nitrate that other supplement companies are using can be harmful to people's health.

    I point no fingers, and make no insinuation toward any specific company or product, at all

    the fact is: nothing over ~500mg has been shown in studies to be a safe amount of consumption..
    the fact is: nothing over that amount has been shown to be definitely toxic either..
    the fact is, requires more study..

    it is still irrelevant to the process with which we use

    nothing more than education and clarification here, despite what some may accuse me of

  10. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    the fact is - in the right amounts, I do not dispute this information!

    Potassium nitrate and sodium nitrate that other supplement companies are using can be harmful to people's health.

    I point no fingers, and make no insinuation toward any specific company or product, at all

    the fact is: nothing over ~500mg has been shown in studies to be a safe amount of consumption..
    the fact is: nothing over that amount has been shown to be definitely toxic either..
    the fact is, requires more study..

    it is still irrelevant to the process with which we use

    nothing more than education and clarification here, despite what some may accuse me of
    I am not claiming any amount of nitrates are dangerous.

    YOU'RE claiming Potassium Nitrate is dangerous, which is a flat out lie.

    Would you like to continue the libel and lies, or end it now?
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager

  11. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I am not claiming any amount of nitrates are dangerous.

    YOU'RE claiming Potassium Nitrate is dangerous, which is a flat out lie.

    Would you like to continue the libel and lies, or end it now?
    quite honestly I do not understand your angst VT?

    we can most certainly end this now, as I see no fruitful outcome for either one of us here..

    should you wish to converse further in less hostile terms, feel free to e-mail me

  12. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    quite honestly I do not understand your angst VT?

    we can most certainly end this now, as I see no fruitful outcome for either one of us here..

    should you wish to converse further in less hostile terms, feel free to e-mail me
    You're directly claiming a product my company produces is dangerous. This is a lie. You are a competitor, and there is no doubt you are simply trying to protect your market share, however doing so with underhanded lies does not sit well with me.

    Potassium Nitrate is not dangerous, and is included in just about every single persons diet on a daily basis. End of story.

    If you keep claiming it is dangerous, there will be more than emails between us unfortunately.
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager

  13. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    You're directly claiming a product my company produces is dangerous. This is a lie. You are a competitor, and there is no doubt you are simply trying to protect your market share, however doing so with underhanded lies does not sit well with me.

    Potassium Nitrate is not dangerous, and is included in just about every single persons diet on a daily basis. End of story.

    If you keep claiming it is dangerous, there will be more than emails between us unfortunately.
    VaughnTrue -

    your threats, both veiled and otherwise, do nothing for me..
    I have stated I do not wish to engage in such petty communication, with you or anyone else

    nowhere have I stated your product is dangerous; if you can read "intent" on the internet, you are truly an accomplished individual

    I state emphatically: this will be the last time I give communication to you on this issue, on this forum

    you can conduct yourself and see imaginary attacks where you deem fit, it does not concern me further

  14. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    VaughnTrue -

    your threats, both veiled and otherwise, do nothing for me..
    I have stated I do not wish to engage in such petty communication, with you or anyone else

    nowhere have I stated your product is dangerous; if you can read "intent" on the internet, you are truly an accomplished individual

    I state emphatically: this will be the last time I give communication to you on this issue, on this forum

    you can conduct yourself and see imaginary attacks where you deem fit, it does not concern me further
    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    in point of education to the forum pertaining to our formulation of Max Pump, please note:

    Potassium nitrate and sodium nitrate that other supplement companies are using can be harmful to people's health.
    These ingredients are used to make explosives and used in gun powder.
    Our betaine nitrate is naturally occurring in red beets and we figured out a way to manufacture and extract bonded betaine nitrate.

    We do not publicly disclose how much nitrates is contained in this product (we don't disclose the manufacturing process of the ingredient); no one outside of our R&D and ppl who need to know, know the actual amount..it is a bonded material. Its not betaine plus nitrates.

    It is a reacted material that makes up one ingredient called betaine nitrate. When you test for bonded material it will have one single peak that represents the melting point.

    what has been discussed here, in regards to any concerns over Max Pump, toxicity, has been totally irrelevant and based on no factual support pertaining to our formulation..the fact any such accusations have been made - without knowing pertinent information - is rather unconscionable
    Do you have a poor memory, or is this dementia setting in?
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager

  15. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Do you have a poor memory, or is this dementia setting in?
    one more time: nowhere have I stated YOUR product is dangerous..
    I am simply sharing my opinion on nitrates in general in X amount, based on existing (albeit limited) data that exists

    I did not see you attempt to crucify cooper for, in essence, the same exact stance?

    funny, how you choose to pick your conflicts....

  16. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    one more time: nowhere have I stated YOUR product is dangerous..
    I am simply sharing my opinion on nitrates in general in X amount, based on existing (albeit limited) data that exists

    I did not see you attempt to crucify cooper for, in essence, the same exact stance?

    funny, how you choose to pick your conflicts....
    My product contains a sane and safe level of nitrates per full serving. 600mg of Potassium Nitrate yields ~358mg of Nitrates.

    I believe that high levels of nitrates may lead to severe side effects, just like high doses of caffeine will as well. More is not always better.
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager

  17. Gotta love rep fights....

  18. Im missing all the fun Quick someone tag me in!
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Someone tag me in!
    Inb4 JudoJosh brings up Yok3d...

  20. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Im missing all the fun Quick someone tag me in!
    randori! go!!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I believe that high levels of nitrates may lead to severe side effects, just like high doses of caffeine will as well. More is not always better.
    and now we come back to the basis with which I made my own statement, that you seemed to take issue with..

    when the entire time, we apparently agree on the same concept of opinion

    I obviously share your view that there is pause for concern, past a certain point

    but it is still just opinion!

  22. Mr.Cooper needs to chill out and keep posting, guy knows his chit is obv very valuable around here

  23. I like nitrates
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by GigaPaladin View Post
    Mr.Cooper needs to chill out and keep posting, guy knows his chit is obv very valuable around here
    Out of this entire thread this is the post with the most win!
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by GigaPaladin View Post
    Mr.Cooper needs to chill out and keep posting, guy knows his chit is obv very valuable around here
    Truth.
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