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    Have GDA s a place on a low carb diet?


    Just curious if this would be a waste of cash taking a GDA whilest carbs are low.

    In terms of figures , as an example say 50 gms at breakfast (oats) , 25 prior to workout and 25 post followed by carbs in a evening meal , perhaps a sweet potatoe of 50 gms -total 150

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    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    Just curious if this would be a waste of cash taking a GDA whilest carbs are low.

    In terms of figures , as an example say 50 gms at breakfast (oats) , 25 prior to workout and 25 post followed by carbs in a evening meal , perhaps a sweet potatoe of 50 gms -total 150

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    IMO opinion, for me especially, a GDA is a must no matter if I'm bulking recomping or prepping for a show (which I am now).

    I highly recommend Anabolic Pump. I've used slinshot as well but have recently found that slinshot pill is good for only about 30-35 carbs where AP is good for up to 70g carbs thus making it cheaper in the end :-) It is also active for 4 hours. Ive tried recompadrol but experienced pretty bad GI issues when dosed around carbs. Whether cutting or bulking I believe a good GDA is a must.
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    Well, let's ask this...what is your training schedule and meal timing? Where do carbs fit in to those meals? Bean5er put together a solid recommendation but, I ask these questions to see if we can further utilize the potential of Anabolic Pump. Say for instance you are waking and doing fasted cardio and or training in a fasted state. This would be another good time to utilize Anabolic Pump supplementation. Supplementing with Anabolic Pump before training in a fasted state (in short) will help with maximizing fat oxidation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRob23 View Post
    Well, let's ask this...what is your training schedule and meal timing? Where do carbs fit in to those meals? Bean5er put together a solid recommendation but, I ask these questions to see if we can further utilize the potential of Anabolic Pump. Say for instance you are waking and doing fasted cardio and or training in a fasted state. This would be another good time to utilize Anabolic Pump supplementation. Supplementing with Anabolic Pump before training in a fasted state (in short) will help with maximizing fat oxidation.
    Very good point one I overlooked as I never utilize any FTP, but I do plan on experimenting with this after my prep. Thank you JRob for pointing this out. I know breezy utilizes this method for his fasted training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post

    Very good point one I overlooked as I never utilize any FTP, but I do plan on experimenting with this after my prep. Thank you JRob for pointing this out. I know breezy utilizes this method for his fasted training.
    That I do. It's been a nice help with my current recomp. I look forward to hearing what you think bud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post

    IMO opinion, for me especially, a GDA is a must no matter if I'm bulking recomping or prepping for a show (which I am now).

    I highly recommend Anabolic Pump. I've used slinshot as well but have recently found that slinshot pill is good for only about 30-35 carbs where AP is good for up to 70g carbs thus making it cheaper in the end :-) It is also active for 4 hours. Ive tried recompadrol but experienced pretty bad GI issues when dosed around carbs. Whether cutting or bulking I believe a good GDA is a must.
    I agree, AP by USP was great. I haven't tried the other mentioned products.

    I used AP on >100g carbs and had a good experience.
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    And to answer op's original question I'm carb cycling and my low days are around 100g and high days are around 300g of carbs
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    what effects are you guys having? i have about 200g carbs per meal...how much would this help
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Very good point one I overlooked as I never utilize any FTP, but I do plan on experimenting with this after my prep. Thank you JRob for pointing this out. I know breezy utilizes this method for his fasted training.
    Yeah the only time I employed the use of AP fasted was for my morning cardio when I'm a little deeper into prep. I haven't used it for a full blown training session as I always like to have carbs etc timed around that period. Some that have used it though had amazing results I've seen over at the USPlabs forum. I'm sure breezy could have some good things to say about it as well. Have a show coming up I assume? When's the date?
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    Is the benefit to FTP specific to AP or will any gda work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjobe6 View Post
    Is the benefit to FTP specific to AP or will any gda work?
    It's specific for the training protocol. Here's a link for more info!

    http://usplabsdirect.com/forum/topic...ol-ftp-thread/
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    Nope, not at all IMO. I've used r-ala and anabolic pump both on low carbs and truly enjoyed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjobe6 View Post
    Is the benefit to FTP specific to AP or will any gda work?
    Not sure but I have tried FTP using bulk berberine and banaba caps and it was no where near as effective as following FTP with anabolic pump
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    Now you guys have me really interested in tying this protocol :-).
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    anyone here tried slinsane? how does it compare to others you have used?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Now you guys have me really interested in tying this protocol :-).
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    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    Just curious if this would be a waste of cash taking a GDA whilest carbs are low.

    In terms of figures , as an example say 50 gms at breakfast (oats) , 25 prior to workout and 25 post followed by carbs in a evening meal , perhaps a sweet potatoe of 50 gms -total 150

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    Very useful, even at that CHO count, which isn't all that low, IMO (I've dieted down taking in no more than 30g/day before).

    Considering your totals and timing, you could use one prior to breakfast or dinner, and pre-workout.

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    anyone here tried slinsane? how does it compare to others you have used?
    Shoot an email to armando[@]genomyx.com and just request a SS sample... tell him I sent you over from AM. The new version is perfect for glucose modulation and general health, including cardio-protection, attenuating exercise-induced fatigue, and improving endurance, among others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cumminslifter View Post
    anyone here tried slinsane? how does it compare to others you have used?

    v2 is awesome. They did a solid job with the upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post
    Very useful, even at that CHO count, which isn't all that low, IMO (I've dieted down taking in no more than 30g/day before).

    Considering your totals and timing, you could use one prior to breakfast or dinner, and pre-workout.



    Shoot an email to armando[@]genomyx.com and just request a SS sample... tell him I sent you over from AM. The new version is perfect for glucose modulation and general health, including cardio-protection, attenuating exercise-induced fatigue, and improving endurance, among others.
    awesome! thanks man just sent an email.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cumminslifter View Post
    awesome! thanks man just sent an email.
    Cool, dude... I let him know you'd be contacting him.

    Let me know if you have any questions about using it, and/or if you love it/hate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post
    Cool, dude... I let him know you'd be contacting him.

    Let me know if you have any questions about using it, and/or if you love it/hate it.
    will do man.thanks again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cumminslifter View Post
    will do man.thanks again!
    Don't bother. Just buy the full product. Along with recompadrol, SSv2 is the best GDA out there
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Don't bother. Just buy the full product. Along with recompadrol, SSv2 is the best GDA out there
    But Glycophase is just around the corner CyBro! for all we know it can be a great contender!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Don't bother. Just buy the full product. Along with recompadrol, SSv2 is the best GDA out there
    Thanks.
    Ssv2 is a great gda
    Low carb or high carb diet I find it to be a staple
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    But Glycophase is just around the corner CyBro! for all we know it can be a great contender!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    But Glycophase is just around the corner CyBro! for all we know it can be a great contender!!
    For all I know, it is a great contender, and would actually stack great with either Recompadrol or SSv2
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    For all I know, it is a great contender, and would actually stack great with either Recompadrol or SSv2
    hmm, thats interesting!! Will be trying this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    For all I know, it is a great contender, and would actually stack great with either Recompadrol or SSv2
    Interesting lack of mention of Slintensity Cy Brother?

    Any reason?

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    I know this is a supplement oriented Forum/Community but are GDA's worthless?
    I ask just because being around some Other more Darker Communities apparently they are worthless.

    I know here supplements rule the earth and increase hgh and testosterone, and control and manipulate insulin but looking around other Forums but are we wrong? Are all these Studies on Herbs increasing test and GH is all a bunch of bologna.

    Maybe the only real effects are from medications and proven real world things AAS, Insulin, and HGH? IDK

    IDK im shattered cus i used to be a Supplement Guy myself but now i question all those dollars washed away.
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    my question is this. If one of the MOA's is to stop carb uptake (i.e. Gymnemic acid), why would that be useful on a low carb diet or dieting, where every carb matters for performance, fullness, etc? I can see why for a cheatmeal it could be some kind of damage control, but for dieting?

    This is actually one of my issues with GCBE which does something similar to fats from what I understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Younglifter16 View Post
    my question is this. If one of the MOA's is to stop carb uptake (i.e. Gymnemic acid), why would that be useful on a low carb diet or dieting, where every carb matters for performance, fullness, etc? I can see why for a cheatmeal it could be some kind of damage control, but for dieting?

    This is actually one of my issues with GCBE which does something similar to fats from what I understand.
    It doesnt "stop carb uptake" it encourages Muscle uptake of carbs not Fat uptake of carbs to put it simple
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    Quote Originally Posted by Younglifter16 View Post
    my question is this. If one of the MOA's is to stop carb uptake (i.e. Gymnemic acid), why would that be useful on a low carb diet or dieting, where every carb matters for performance, fullness, etc? I can see why for a cheatmeal it could be some kind of damage control, but for dieting? This is actually one of my issues with GCBE which does something similar to fats from what I understand.
    Nope, GCBE does it mostly with carbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    It doesnt "stop carb uptake" it encourages Muscle uptake of carbs not Fat uptake of carbs to put it simple
    well in theory on a calorie defecit that would hopefully be the goal, and thats one moa, but not the one i'm referring to.

    however, link seems to indiciate that Gymnema sylvestre, a common ingredient in GDA's, stops glucose absorption in the small intestines.

    lol i cant post links yet, but check Gymnema sylvestre: A Memoir on NCBI

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Nope, GCBE does it mostly with carbs


    explain this phaggotry to me coop. "Inhibitory effect of green coffee bean extract on fat accumulation and body weight gain in mice" on biomedcentral (cant post links)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Younglifter16 View Post
    well in theory on a calorie defecit that would hopefully be the goal, and thats one moa, but not the one i'm referring to.

    however, link seems to indiciate that Gymnema sylvestre, a common ingredient in GDA's, stops glucose absorption in the small intestines.

    lol i cant post links yet, but check Gymnema sylvestre: A Memoir on NCBI



    explain this phaggotry to me coop. "Inhibitory effect of green coffee bean extract on fat accumulation and body weight gain in mice" on biomedcentral (cant post links)
    "it can aid the body by passing through sugars and making carbs available for burning, rather than turning these into fat stores. In this way it helps to build lean muscle mass."
    ...i was thinking of something else. Apologies.

    sounds like crap to me...and considering i found it like $4 online dont expect much. And that "scientific" literature not enticing.
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    So the question is why waste your time why dont you just eat healthy carbs in moderation combined with protein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Younglifter16 View Post
    well in theory on a calorie defecit that would hopefully be the goal, and thats one moa, but not the one i'm referring to.

    however, link seems to indiciate that Gymnema sylvestre, a common ingredient in GDA's, stops glucose absorption in the small intestines.

    lol i cant post links yet, but check Gymnema sylvestre: A Memoir on NCBI



    explain this phaggotry to me coop. "Inhibitory effect of green coffee bean extract on fat accumulation and body weight gain in mice" on biomedcentral (cant post links)
    All it's saying is that GCB has a tissue-specific lipolytic effect. Its main mechanism of action, as demonstrated by human trials, is inhibition of the digestion of carbohydrates
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    All it's saying is that GCB has a tissue-specific lipolytic effect. Its main mechanism of action, as demonstrated by human trials, is inhibition of the digestion of carbohydrates
    Coop, I look at Recompadrol and see myself passed out on the floor in a diabetic coma. This product looks like it's the most effective product at lowering blood glucose levels. And the feedback is phenominal!

    But are all of those ingredients overkill? 10mg of Vanadyl Sulfate alone keeps my blood sugar very low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post

    Coop, I look at Recompadrol and see myself passed out on the floor in a diabetic coma. This product looks like it's the most effective product at lowering blood glucose levels. And the feedback is phenominal!

    But are all of those ingredients overkill? 10mg of Vanadyl Sulfate alone keeps my blood sugar very low.
    I've taken 1 cap before a pro/fat meal and don't suffer any harsh low blood sugar issues.

    For those bashing the GDA, glucose uptake issue. When you slow/stop glucose uptake this affects fat cells as well. It stops a huge release of insulin (who's target users are somewhat insulin resistant)

    Carbs are not THE source of fuel, they're A source of fuel. Other people use GDA's on low carb diets to make sure FAT is continued to be used for fuel.

    That's a rather elementary explanation, but easy for everyone to understand.

    GDA's do have a purpose, some just do not need them as much as others, IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    I've taken 1 cap before a pro/fat meal and don't suffer any harsh low blood sugar issues.

    For those bashing the GDA, glucose uptake issue. When you slow/stop glucose uptake this affects fat cells as well. It stops a huge release of insulin (who's target users are somewhat insulin resistant)

    Carbs are not THE source of fuel, they're A source of fuel. Other people use GDA's on low carb diets to make sure FAT is continued to be used for fuel.

    That's a rather elementary explanation, but easy for everyone to understand.

    GDA's do have a purpose, some just do not need them as much as others, IMO
    I have found this to be true while using AP pre-workout during FTP. I have better energy and endurance in the gym.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    All it's saying is that GCB has a tissue-specific lipolytic effect. Its main mechanism of action, as demonstrated by human trials, is inhibition of the digestion of carbohydrates
    Could the undigested carbs lead to digestive issues? How does this mechanism work when the body has to get rid of undigested carbs when taking GDAs?

    I've read that with fat blockers, eating a lot of fat and taking the fat blockers could lead to digestive issues, fatty stools and a whole host of digestive health side effects, so I wanted to know how it works with regards to carb blockers. Thanks.

    Also, wouldn't it make more sense to take GDAs in a fasted state (for example first thing in the morning, pre-cardio) when on a low carb diet so as to allow for the body to use all of the (small) amount of carbs without any inhibitions in absorption when eating (mealtime)?
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