good cutting stack / no hormones

[bomb]

hello murica ,
im from europe and id like to know which cutting supps you guys would recommend.
i have to say that im 19 so i want to stay away from steroids, prohormones and thyroid hormones.
im open for all suggestions
best regards

[Cordeen]

Current weight and bodyfat and goal weight and bodyfat?

[bomb]

80 kg , bf around 15-18 % , goal : leaning out till summer beginning end of march , dont need to cut down below 10% imo ,dont wanna lose to much muscke weight

[Cordeen]

That's not a difficult goal really. Ever thought of ECA with cardio. Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin on an empty stomach with some induced sweating via cardio for a the short term fix. Once there...lay off it and maintain with cardio and always smart nutrition from start to end.

[bomb]

i once had some ephedrin for pre workout boost but i got used to it very quickly , and for example 100 mg gave me a bad feeling , nausea , and a high heart rate thats not good when doing cardio i guess. of course ill get a real clean diet and ill do lots of cardio .
i thought about some products with yohimbine and maybe a stim thats not overdosed like oxyelite pro .
thanks for your advices so far

[Cordeen]

Ok more advice will follow I'm sure....I'll get back to you after though.

[cswalczakny]

a nice stack to control appetite, encourage fat loss, increase energy, stabilize mood, and keep muscle catabolism at a minimum would be:

Lean EFX Refined
Natural EFX
some BCAAs (lots of brands, I like Endurance)
Bulk DAA
AD-3
Lean Xtreme or Reduce XT

[confused91]

which product is better reduce xt or lean xtreme running either by itself...

[cswalczakny]

which product is better reduce xt or lean xtreme running either by itself...

They're both excellent in my opinion. So grab whichever you can find at a good price

[confused91]

Any side effects?

[cswalczakny]

Any side effects?

I never experienced any. Read up on the symptoms of insufficient cortisol and if you experience any of them discontinue using it or lower dosage. It is very unlikely that you will have any issue at all though

[rochabp]

80 kg , bf around 15-18 % , goal : leaning out till summer beginning end of march , dont need to cut down below 10% imo ,dont wanna lose to much muscke weight

what do you mean bf 15-18%?
i think you mean you dont know

[rochabp]

80kg=176lbsx .85 (assuming you are 15%, i really doubt it tho)=149.6lbs of lean=Not a lot

You dont need to lean out the key to any cutting phase is a solid clean bulking phase, the more muscle the bigger the calorie expenditure thus more fat burning.
(i.e. a supersport 1970 Charger will burn a lot more gas than a Pruis, bcus of the bigger engine)

What you need to do is eat clean and the fat will disappear and muscle will appear

[criticalbench]

Dexaprine XR for a stimulant, along with a cortisol product like abliterate would do wonders. Typically, 19 year olds are under a lot of stress from various things, at least I know I was. So cortisol reduction products like abliterate can really help. Dexaprine XR is a new stimulant based fat burner, and upgrade from dexaprine V2 which has always gotten a ton of great reviews all over.

Mike

[runner_79]

Dexaprine XR for a stimulant, along with a cortisol product like abliterate would do wonders. Typically, 19 year olds are under a lot of stress from various things, at least I know I was. So cortisol reduction products like abliterate can really help. Dexaprine XR is a new stimulant based fat burner, and upgrade from dexaprine V2 which has always gotten a ton of great reviews all over.

Mike

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[RyanJames]

good diet,weight training an lots of cardio...easy as that..

[bomb]

so you think i should not start cutting and just continue bulking tiill the end of the year but with a 100% clear diet.
ill eat on training days : 250 gr oats + 40 gr whey + fishoil , post workout : 50gr rice cake + 40 gr whey * creatin , daa, bcaa , lunch: 150 gr chicken , 160 gr white rice , 25 gr nuts , evening: 150 gr chicken * 25 gr nuts , pre bed snack : 250 gr cottage cheese +25gr nuts + fishoil
i dont get it , this seems very clear though i store some body fat ( okay i had a ****ty diet the last 3 months )
what u think about my diet ? i workout monday and thursday upper body and tuesday and friday lower body , weekend ill do some mma
what you think about some topical fat burner like dermatherm target ?

[cswalczakny]

so you think i should not start cutting and just continue bulking tiill the end of the year but with a 100% clear diet.
ill eat on training days : 250 gr oats + 40 gr whey + fishoil , post workout : 50gr rice cake + 40 gr whey * creatin , daa, bcaa , lunch: 150 gr chicken , 160 gr white rice , 25 gr nuts , evening: 150 gr chicken * 25 gr nuts , pre bed snack : 250 gr cottage cheese +25gr nuts + fishoil
i dont get it , this seems very clear though i store some body fat ( okay i had a ****ty diet the last 3 months )
what u think about my diet ? i workout monday and thursday upper body and tuesday and friday lower body , weekend ill do some mma
what you think about some topical fat burner like dermatherm target ?

I respectfully disagree. You should cut down to a comfortably low bf like 10% and then slowly bulk back up with a 200-300 Cal surplus.

Adding muscle and cutting fat simultaneously works but us not the most efficient way to do things IMO. It also takes a huge amount of diet concentration with things like carb and calorie cycling, etc..

[cswalczakny]

so you think i should not start cutting and just continue bulking tiill the end of the year but with a 100% clear diet.
ill eat on training days : 250 gr oats + 40 gr whey + fishoil , post workout : 50gr rice cake + 40 gr whey * creatin , daa, bcaa , lunch: 150 gr chicken , 160 gr white rice , 25 gr nuts , evening: 150 gr chicken * 25 gr nuts , pre bed snack : 250 gr cottage cheese +25gr nuts + fishoil
i dont get it , this seems very clear though i store some body fat ( okay i had a ****ty diet the last 3 months )
what u think about my diet ? i workout monday and thursday upper body and tuesday and friday lower body , weekend ill do some mma
what you think about some topical fat burner like dermatherm target ?

Foods look good, daily cals and macros?

I have no experience with topicals

[rochabp]

so you think i should not start cutting and just continue bulking tiill the end of the year but with a 100% clear diet.
ill eat on training days : 250 gr oats + 40 gr whey + fishoil , post workout : 50gr rice cake + 40 gr whey * creatin , daa, bcaa , lunch: 150 gr chicken , 160 gr white rice , 25 gr nuts , evening: 150 gr chicken * 25 gr nuts , pre bed snack : 250 gr cottage cheese +25gr nuts + fishoil
i dont get it , this seems very clear though i store some body fat ( okay i had a ****ty diet the last 3 months )
what u think about my diet ? i workout monday and thursday upper body and tuesday and friday lower body , weekend ill do some mma
what you think about some topical fat burner like dermatherm target ?

diet diet diet, tuna cans and chicken cans, protein protein. I tried the whole cutting thins long term didnt help, plus when i bulk i end up looking less fat and more muscle and then cutting really shows that muscle. I mean you can cut but it would be a lot harder to do it right and not burn away muscle specially without hormones or any outside help.