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    Best non-stim Pre-workout supp?


    Not looking for something with stims or something that just "gives skin splitting pumps". The big pump stims actually limit/shorten my workouts which is exactly what I don't want.

    Something with clean ingredients, that can get me a few more reps or a bit more weight on the stack, and maybe more focus. I don't want to get wired or jittery.

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    Caffeine free focus xt, n-pept, anabolic ignite are all good choices.
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    Caffeine Free Focus XT
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    Any of those + APS Creatine nitrate and/or Citrulline Malate+Agmatine Sulfate and COP.
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    Athletic Xtreme Ultra Reps was my favorite stim free preworkout that i've tried
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    Quote Originally Posted by SXIPro View Post
    Not looking for something with stims or something that just "gives skin splitting pumps". The big pump stims actually limit/shorten my workouts which is exactly what I don't want.

    Something with clean ingredients, that can get me a few more reps or a bit more weight on the stack, and maybe more focus. I don't want to get wired or jittery.

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    Genomyx Protocol, Omega Sports Ultima, and SNS Focus-XT Caffeine Free would all be good choices. Ultima and Focus-XT will give better focus, while Protocol and Ultima both are great for improving performance.
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    Read: not looking for something that gives skin splitting pumps
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Read: not looking for something that gives skin splitting pumps
    Then just cutting out the Cit Mal and Agmatine would do, and yeah...bye bye Hemavol !

    Ultima and CF-FXT should do a good combo for him though...

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    Formutech Endurance gives GREAT stamina. If you're using it on it's own I'd say one scoop of Endurance + and additional 1g beta alanine would be awesome. I like to add in agmatine as well, but if you don't want the pumps you can do without it
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    Millenium Sports Ragnarok Ultra Caffeine Free. This stuff is REALLY good and the ingredient profile is one of the most complete and high-qual I have ever seen! Omega Sports Ultima is decent, but the performance I get out of it does not equal the price and ingredient list. PNI Prodigy is good also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zv3 View Post
    Millenium Sports Ragnarok Ultra Caffeine Free. This stuff is REALLY good and the ingredient profile is one of the most complete and high-qual I have ever seen! Omega Sports Ultima is decent, but the performance I get out of it does not equal the price and ingredient list. PNI Prodigy is good also.
    he wants stim free, prodigy is a stim pre
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    Currently taking Beta Peptide and i love it. Non stim 4 servings of organic veggies in one serving
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    Dosing Body Octane at 1 scoop will only give you 3.5g of citrulline malate, which will give you pumps, but not so hard as it hinders your work out. I also use SNS bulk cit mal with 1 scoop of BO. I don't usually start getting crazy pumps until I start getting more than 6g of cit mal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Genomyx Protocol, Omega Sports Ultima, and SNS Focus-XT Caffeine Free would all be good choices. Ultima and Focus-XT will give better focus, while Protocol and Ultima both are great for improving performance.
    All great choices. Protocol seems to offer what you are looking for. The endurance and recovery aspect of COP, LCLT and Leucine will greatly benefit you as well as some pump enhancement with Agmatine. A full dose is 500mg Agmatine which increases pump, but definitely shouldnt be overwhelming. The pump crazy people use 1g agmatine pre generally.

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    The best stim free pre is stim free focus xt hands down,add in some hemavol and you got the out of this world focus plus insane pumps!
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    Omega Sports Ultima is probably the best all round pre-workout supplement out there. Great focus, clean non-stim energy and it makes everything else I take work a little better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler44 View Post
    All great choices. Protocol seems to offer what you are looking for. The endurance and recovery aspect of COP, LCLT and Leucine will greatly benefit you as well as some pump enhancement with Agmatine. A full dose is 500mg Agmatine which increases pump, but definitely shouldnt be overwhelming. The pump crazy people use 1g agmatine pre generally.

    We just rolled out Cherry Bomb to accompany Desert Punch flavor as well.
    Have some of this I just picked up recently. Can't wait to give it a try. It'll be my first experience with Genomyx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpaquett View Post
    Have some of this I just picked up recently. Can't wait to give it a try. It'll be my first experience with Genomyx.
    We look forward to your feedback, hopefully its a good experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack411 View Post
    The best stim free pre is stim free focus xt hands down,add in some hemavol and you got the out of this world focus plus insane pumps!

    The insane pumps is what I am trying to avoid. Hemavol had my forearms bursting about halfway thru a normal workout. They were like spring steel and I had to bail out of my workout.

    I don't want an artificial pump, that's just dumb IMHO. I want something that helps me put in a better workout and get better real results, not results that only last as long as I am looking at myself in the mirror at the gym.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SXIPro View Post
    The insane pumps is what I am trying to avoid. Hemavol had my forearms bursting about halfway thru a normal workout. They were like spring steel and I had to bail out of my workout.

    I don't want an artificial pump, that's just dumb IMHO. I want something that helps me put in a better workout and get better real results, not results that only last as long as I am looking at myself in the mirror at the gym.
    Then I would for sure try stim free focus xt!Stuff is amazing,such a clean energy and focus!they can hardly keep it in stock if that tells you anything,if you hurry you can get the last one before I do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SXIPro View Post

    The insane pumps is what I am trying to avoid. Hemavol had my forearms bursting about halfway thru a normal workout. They were like spring steel and I had to bail out of my workout.

    I don't want an artificial pump, that's just dumb IMHO. I want something that helps me put in a better workout and get better real results, not results that only last as long as I am looking at myself in the mirror at the gym.
    Why not take a GDA an hour before you lift, eat a balanced meal with good carbs and protein, then eat an apple on your way to the gym?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Why not take a GDA an hour before you lift, eat a balanced meal with good carbs and protein, then eat an apple on your way to the gym?
    I work out early AM usually 5:30 or 6:00 AM. If I woke up any earlier to get ready, I'd be divorced.

    On second thought....you may be on to something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SXIPro View Post
    I work out early AM usually 5:30 or 6:00 AM. If I woke up any earlier to get ready, I'd be divorced.

    On second thought....you may be on to something.
    i'm up at 415 to hit the weights every day. my wife used to complain, but she got over it ;P
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post
    i'm up at 415 to hit the weights every day. my wife used to complain, but she got over it ;P

    My wife is Italian and has the temper to prove it. I need all my limbs for the forseeable future, and I don't want to wake up with a horse head in my bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SXIPro View Post
    My wife is Italian and has the temper to prove it. I need all my limbs for the forseeable future, and I don't want to wake up with a horse head in my bed.
    LOL!! My wife is of dubious origin (her father was adopted and no idea of his heritage) but I'm pretty sure she's at least 25% mexican. So i'm familiar with fiery tempers and flying objects. lol
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    Sorry missed that you didn't want a pump ?

    On a side note I've always wanted to try ultima
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    Quote Originally Posted by WPD111 View Post
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    Condense is not stim free.maybe lower than other pres but not stim free!
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    Hemavol is one of the best non-stim pre's on the market. High dose of Citrulline Malate and Agmatine and it tastes amazing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo
    Hemavol is one of the best non-stim pre's on the market. High dose of Citrulline Malate and Agmatine and it tastes amazing!
    My favorite aspect is the plasma volumizing effects of gms! Swells me up like a mofo quick!

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    Re: Best non-stim Pre-workout supp?


    Quote Originally Posted by SXIPro View Post
    My wife is Italian and has the temper to prove it. I need all my limbs for the forseeable future, and I don't want to wake up with a horse head in my bed.
    Those Italian women... I've had every part of a womans garment collection thrown at me growing up lol! They definitely have a little attitude eh?

    Good pre without crazy pumps and stims, like fl3x said (odd that we agree on something) SNS Caff free Focus XT or anabolic ignite by muscle feast. It has nitrates and citrulline but the pumps weren't crazy on it. Completely pump free tho SNS Focus XT...

    Can I ask what you're goals are for a pre are? Most people look for energy and pump. If you want a light stim maybe just drink a cup of coffee or take some caffeine pills...
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