Looking for some insight

[Gazlay43]

This will be my first post on this forum so please don't flame me too hard. I just finished a cycle of XFactor advanced about two months ago. I saw some decent gains from it, but I'm lookin to try something else. I've heard great things about the Drive/RPM/Neovar stack and was pretty set on giving it a try. Then I came across Aen APE. I was trying to avoid test and test boosters, but I have heard great things about APE and I haven't heard of any negative sides. I'm 21 and trying to pack on another ten to fifteen pounds before I start my cut. I do realize that these are completely different types of supplements, but I'm just looking for some personal opinions or experiences. What should I go with? Thanks guys

[uvawahoowa]

This will be my first post on this forum so please don't flame me too hard. I just finished a cycle of XFactor advanced about two months ago. I saw some decent gains from it, but I'm lookin to try something else. I've heard great things about the Drive/RPM/Neovar stack and was pretty set on giving it a try. Then I came across Aen APE. I was trying to avoid test and test boosters, but I have heard great things about APE and I haven't heard of any negative sides. I'm 21 and trying to pack on another ten to fifteen pounds before I start my cut. I do realize that these are completely different types of supplements, but I'm just looking for some personal opinions or experiences. What should I go with? Thanks guys

At 21 natty test boosters aren't going to do **** for you unless you have unnaturally low test. Get your diet and training straight first

[Gazlay43]

At 21 natty test boosters aren't going to do **** for you unless you have unnaturally low test. Get your diet and training straight first

I figured that would be the response I would get and I was expecting it. Only reason I started to consider a booster was the fact that I know a few people my age that have done boosters and seen pretty solid results. My training and diet are not a problem at the moment. All that aside, being that natty test boosters are said to be pointless at my age, what's the next best thing? Heard pretty good things about the drive/rpm/neovar stack, but is it superior to the xfactor I have used prior? Sorry for all the questions but this forum seems packed with knowledge and I'm trying to absorb as much as I can.

[uvawahoowa]

I figured that would be the response I would get and I was expecting it. Only reason I started to consider a booster was the fact that I know a few people my age that have done boosters and seen pretty solid results. My training and diet are not a problem at the moment. All that aside, being that natty test boosters are said to be pointless at my age, what's the next best thing? Heard pretty good things about the drive/rpm/neovar stack, but is it superior to the xfactor I have used prior? Sorry for all the questions but this forum seems packed with knowledge and I'm trying to absorb as much as I can.

Yeah xfactor original will probably be your best bet right now since it doesn't operate hormonally. Stack with lclt and gms and you should be good to go. Just make sure you're not taking any fish oil or cissus around xfactor dosings

[chris223]

I would suggest building a stack around Anabeta. Maybe the best natty supp for adding bulk.

Are you already utilizing basic, proven supplements like creatine and beta alanine?

[EasyEJL]

Only reason I started to consider a booster was the fact that I know a few people my age that have done boosters and seen pretty solid results.

Quite a lot of the time, its placebo effect. Spending $150 on supplements for a month buys extra motivation, extra care with diet, extra effort with training whether or not it raises testosterone significantly.

My training and diet are not a problem at the moment. All that aside, being that natty test boosters are said to be pointless at my age, what's the next best thing? Heard pretty good things about the drive/rpm/neovar stack, but is it superior to the xfactor I have used prior? Sorry for all the questions but this forum seems packed with knowledge and I'm trying to absorb as much as I can.

Your training and diet may not be a problem, but they might not be optimal either..... Whether a given product is superior to another depends on the individual, their training schedule/type, etc. The drive/rpm/neovar might be nice for you as you can do a little bit of fat loss along with adding lean mass if you are careful on it.

[Gazlay43]

Thanks for all the input guys. I used to take creatine, but stopped using it due to the water weight and bloating. I have also never used beta alanine by itself, just when the preworkouts I was taking contained it. I have heard the fish oil and xfactor thing, but I use tuna as my protein source quite often. Is that bad to do with xfactor? Or are they referring to fish oil pills specifically?

[mr.cooper69]

I'd stay away from APE. Go for age-independent ergogens like SNS Monohydrate, Beta-alanine, Citrulline Malate, etc

[Spaniard]

I'd stay away from APE. Go for age-independent ergogens like SNS Monohydrate, Beta-alanine, Citrulline Malate, etc

Beat me to it

OP I'm taking what Coop suggested above now plus Agmatine and LOVING hitting the gym.

The 10+15lbs you're wanting to gain is going to come from the kitchen man.

- Valdez

[Gazlay43]

Can I stack anabeta with creatine?

[Gazlay43]

Can I stack anabeta with creatine?

[02sixxer]

Coop and Valdez are giving you some great products. Personally agmatine with Formutech Nutritions Endurance BCAA Plus and creatine makes a great preworkout. Your getting BCAA's to feed the muscles, Beta Alanine and COP for muscular endurance, Agmatine will give you insaine pumps. Pick up some Creatine as Coop stated and if ya want even more pumps citrulline malate.

And..... EAT EAT EAT>

[R1balla]

This will be my first post on this forum so please don't flame me too hard. I just finished a cycle of XFactor advanced about two months ago. I saw some decent gains from it, but I'm lookin to try something else. I've heard great things about the Drive/RPM/Neovar stack and was pretty set on giving it a try. Then I came across Aen APE. I was trying to avoid test and test boosters, but I have heard great things about APE and I haven't heard of any negative sides. I'm 21 and trying to pack on another ten to fifteen pounds before I start my cut. I do realize that these are completely different types of supplements, but I'm just looking for some personal opinions or experiences. What should I go with? Thanks guys

if you are staying away from test boosters, then stay away from Drive and RPM

[R1balla]

At 21 natty test boosters aren't going to do **** for you unless you have unnaturally low test. Get your diet and training straight first

not true. i took various kinds when i was 19 and saw results. sure diet and training have to be on point no matter what you are doing. Ive had results with anabeta, DAA, IGF 2, HGHup....etc

[R1balla]

I'd stay away from APE. Go for age-independent ergogens like SNS Monohydrate, Beta-alanine, Citrulline Malate, etc

i agree with this.

if you are sold on taking some other product, i would go with Anabeta + Prime. great stack

[AlphaNOmega]

In addition to the above suggestions, go with Anabolic Pump from USPLabs or some other nutrient partitioning agent. This will help with maximum nutrient uptake and minimize fat storage.

[R1balla]

In addition to the above suggestions, go with Anabolic Pump from USPLabs or some other nutrient partitioning agent. This will help with maximum nutrient uptake and minimize fat storage.

solid product

[Gazlay43]

So anabeta+prime+anabolic pump? Can I stack a preworkout on top of that as well?

[AlphaNOmega]

So anabeta+prime+anabolic pump? Can I stack a preworkout on top of that as well?

You can definitely use a preWO. I would suggest lower/non-stim. Couple good options are Omega Sports Ultima, iFORCE Hemavol, ProSupps Dr. Jekyll.

[R1balla]

hemavol is where its at!