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    MCT oil and ketosis


    Wanted to post this real quick with people getting ready for "get ripped & jacked season"

    I consume between 30-45gr of fat from MCT oil or coconut/day and I am still in ketosis.

    People have some what if a "what if" about this in the past. I just wanted to post this for my AM bro's

    I'm also eating carbs, lost of them too. More to come on that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water
    Wanted to post this real quick with people getting ready for "get ripped & jacked season"

    I consume between 30-45gr of fat from MCT oil or coconut/day and I am still in ketosis.

    People have some what if a "what if" about this in the past. I just wanted to post this for my AM bro's

    I'm also eating carbs, lost of them too. More to come on that
    Fairly easy to do with the right supplementation and diet

    I never remove coconut oil from my diet

    Been using coconut butter mixed with pb.

    I drink tea with it and notice a hue increase in temperature. When no coconut butter I don't feel that huge increase
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post

    Fairly easy to do with the right supplementation and diet

    I never remove coconut oil from my diet

    Been using coconut butter mixed with pb.

    I drink tea with it and notice a hue increase in temperature. When no coconut butter I don't feel that huge increase
    Oh for sure man, but its a bit more advanced of a plan. As I'm sure you're aware.

    I'll have to try that mix.

    I just wanted to share my experience. I know when I started carb cycling I never got a concert answer about Mct/coconut oil.

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    I eat coconut oil everyday, I rub it all over in the winter, you can even wash/condition your hair with it or make your teeth oh so sparkly before entertaining a big time client or heading to the club. Closest thing to a panacea on earth and I won't leave home without it. I used to be nervous flying with it but I've never had an oil spill in my luggage to date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Wanted to post this real quick with people getting ready for "get ripped & jacked season"

    I consume between 30-45gr of fat from MCT oil or coconut/day and I am still in ketosis.

    People have some what if a "what if" about this in the past. I just wanted to post this for my AM bro's

    I'm also eating carbs, lost of them too. More to come on that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post

    Carbs while in ketosis? I'm listening...
    Yeah I was wondering about that. Unless he's doing ckd I'm not sure what he's talking about
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post

    Yeah I was wondering about that. Unless he's doing ckd I'm not sure what he's talking about
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    Carbs while in ketosis? I'm listening...
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    what a weird thread.

    carbs in ketosis.. (unless ckd is right - then, okay; otherwise, no)

    and insinuating mct's will knock you out of ketosis?

    never heard of either
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    Re: MCT oil and ketosis


    If you don't do refeeds with carbs you can have quite a bit of carbs once you have adapted to ketosis.



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    " Ketosis was not completely eliminated in the glucose-added arm." And in this case it was 60g glucose added

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...t=AbstractPlus
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    what a weird thread.

    carbs in ketosis.. (unless ckd is right - then, okay; otherwise, no)

    and insinuating mct's will knock you out of ketosis?

    never heard of either
    A quick google will show some results that it's a common concern amongst the low-carb community, I was surprised myself.

    Just wait snags, here's a baby pre-view

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    Indicating ketosis at 15/dl
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    If you don't do refeeds with carbs you can have quite a bit of carbs once you have adapted to ketosis.
    'quite a bit'?

    you'll need to stay under 100g daily, and more likely ~85g

    popular target is 50g or less/day

    60g glucose in & of itself will not knock you from ketosis, of course not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    A quick google will show some results that it's a common concern amongst the low-carb community, I was surprised myself.
    never heard of such a concern man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post

    A quick google will show some results that it's a common concern amongst the low-carb community, I was surprised myself.

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    Indicating ketosis at 15/dl
    Can you define what quite a bit of carbs is to you?
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    Re: MCT oil and ketosis


    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    'quite a bit'?

    you'll need to stay under 100g daily, and more likely ~85g

    popular target is 50g or less/day

    60g glucose in &amp; of itself will not knock you from ketosis, of course not.
    Yup.. maybe I used a poor choice of words but I would say 100g would qualify for "quite a bit" since typical one following a CKD approach avoids all carbs like the plague.

    So when a guy following a ketogenic diet is allowed 100g CHO from potatoes and rice I would say this would count as "quite a bit" no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    never heard of such a concern man!
    That's bc you're older & wiser, us dumb young kids hear a lot :-p
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post

    Yup.. maybe I used a poor choice of words but I would say 100g would qualify for "quite a bit" since typical one following a CKD approach avoids all carbs like the plague.

    So when a guy following a ketogenic diet is allowed 100g CHO from potatoes and rice I would say this would count as "quite a bit" no?

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    To me quite a bit is 300-400g like in a bulk. But I suppose it depends on what context you put it in.

    When I was cutting for comp season I was doing slightly less than 100g and that didn't feel like quite a bit at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    To me quite a bit is 300-400g like in a bulk. But I suppose it depends on what context you put it in. When I was cutting for comp season I was doing slightly less than 100g and that didn't feel like quite a bit at all
    Again we are talking about ketosis here are we not? So in the CONTEXT of a ketogenic diet where dieters are trying to keep CHO intake to less than 30g of TRACE carbs the idea that they can have around 100g of rice a potatoes I feel would qualify as "quite a bit" to them
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    ketosis is hit from blood glucose standard the way duchaine viewed it at a 50-60mg/dl

    If that's truly the case then I've eaten what I would say is quite a bit and was back in ketosis ( from blood sugar point of view rather then a measured ketone pov) within 2 hours
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Again we are talking about ketosis here are we not? So in the CONTEXT of a ketogenic diet where dieters are trying to keep CHO intake to less than 30g of TRACE carbs the idea that they can have around 100g of rice a potatoes I feel would qualify as "quite a bit" to them
    in the context of the general populations understanding of what ketosis truly is, i guess.
    trying to avoid carbs like the plaque and being <30g daily is non-essential and a wasted effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    That's bc you're older & wiser, us dumb young kids hear a lot :-p


    couple yrs back, i lived a keto/semi-keto lifestyle for almost 4yrs straight..
    i've tried stretching the barriers in these dietary approacesh in various ways, but the best i've come to find that allows for muscular retention with maximal sustained leanness (and i'm talkin very lean here), is a variation of what i call the Beverly Diet.

    basically, under 100g carbs daily, hi protein, hi (good) fats
    every 3-4 days, you have an all-carb meal as last meal of day (banana/sweet potato/oatmeal or rice, plus some veggies) + some fat
    maybe 1x weekly you can have a free-eating window for couple hrs

    food choices are clean of course --> this is a combination of concepts i used for contest prep so it is meant to be "strict" (by some ppl's context)

    i learned the basics from Beverly back in the 90s...i think scivation also came out with version very similar ~5yrs ago or so

    that recipe kept me insanely ripped, for many many many months on end....
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post


    couple yrs back, i lived a keto/semi-keto lifestyle for almost 4yrs straight..
    i've tried stretching the barriers in these dietary approacesh in various ways, but the best i've come to find that allows for muscular retention with maximal sustained leanness (and i'm talkin very lean here), is a variation of what i call the Beverly Diet.

    basically, under 100g carbs daily, hi protein, hi (good) fats
    every 3-4 days, you have an all-carb meal as last meal of day (banana/sweet potato/oatmeal or rice, plus some veggies) + some fat
    maybe 1x weekly you can have a free-eating window for couple hrs

    food choices are clean of course --> this is a combination of concepts i used for contest prep so it is meant to be "strict" (by some ppl's context)

    i learned the basics from Beverly back in the 90s...i think scivation also came out with version very similar ~5yrs ago or so

    that recipe kept me insanely ripped, for many many many months on end....
    Your lean off-season, isn't very lean......it's frighten outrageously lean!

    When you say Beverly, in regards to Beverly International? I know a lot of their nutrition persons recommend the same ideas as you mention above. Could just be a coincidence but
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Your lean off-season, isn't very lean......it's frighten outrageously lean!
    we all have different context/ideas of what qualifies as lean..i'm a lil on the extreme side of that context, yes

    When you say Beverly, in regards to Beverly International?
    bingo
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    we all have different context/ideas of what qualifies as lean..i'm a lil on the extreme side of that context, yes

    bingo
    they have a number of diet plans that they have now accumulated thru the yrs, and have direction for any goal you want to accomplish
    IMO, they have absolutely no peers when it comes to perfecting this approach, for virtually any bodytype in existence
    classy company..products are all pretty solid as well (albeit a bit ridiculous in pricing, some of them)
    Well, you're doing an outstanding job my friend. I know my coach used them as a reference when doing my prep diet. I love some of their supps, mostly Mass Aminos/Ultra-40's. agreed with some of their pricing.

    Thanks for the input snag!
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    Good thread/Info DW! I love it when im doing CKD. Subbed for more info
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    What's the protocol like for MCT? I recently bought a bottle from NOW Sports. Should I dose in the morning? Preworkout? Postworkout? Please forgive my ignorance on the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post
    What's the protocol like for MCT? I recently bought a bottle from NOW Sports. Should I dose in the morning? Preworkout? Postworkout? Please forgive my ignorance on the topic.
    Morning and preworkout. Be warned, start with 1 table spoon because it will kill your Gi tract if you're not used to it. Work your way up to 3-4 table spoons if you can handle it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    Morning and preworkout. Be warned, start with 1 table spoon because it will kill your Gi tract if you're not used to it. Work your way up to 3-4 table spoons if you can handle it.
    How about with food in the late afternoon/night?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    Morning and preworkout. Be warned, start with 1 table spoon because it will kill your Gi tract if you're not used to it. Work your way up to 3-4 table spoons if you can handle it.
    yep, definitely don't just jump into deep end of the pool, its not a good feeling.
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    @The Solution knows a lot about mct oil. He helped me with a diet on it back in an older thread. I replaced about 200-300 kcal with mct oil during
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    Quote Originally Posted by SauceMonkey22 View Post
    interesting, i noticed this when i supplemented with mct oil as well in a post workout shake, followed by a high carb + pro meal an hour later, now that i think about it. i actually scrapped it to add a bit more size while on cycle with real food. see if no mct will make a big difference. def throwing it back in when i cut
    I'm using it now to get a few more calories in and it's working well. Also it's a great thermo'
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    Quote Originally Posted by SauceMonkey22 View Post
    true. i mean i am recomping right now, maybe i'll toss it in to get kcals up and recomp even more? think that would work?
    Yeah it would. Mct oil has a different pathway than regular triglycerides. Add some in little by little and if you look like you're gaining fat then stop. But I doubt you wil, the thermo effect should help lean you eat while gaining Mass from the exta calories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SauceMonkey22 View Post
    Never understood how that worked. Leaning out while adding mass from an oil
    Because it's a thermogenic and it's 7 calories from fat. However it's MCt, it's pathway and ending point is different. I forgot the mechanism for it though, but it isn't stored.
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    It's bc of the structural make up of the fat, different from other bc it's a shorter chained triglyceride. In short, you're body's like WTF?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SauceMonkey22 View Post
    Interesting. So you get 100 calories for example so to speak, but it'll either be used for energy or pissed out? I usually kean bulk at 2,600 cals. Maybe I'll toss in a daily tablespoon while on cycle and head to 2,700 cals. 2,700 is when I usually start to add fat though. I have NOW MCT oil
    I have that too. You ever get nauseous from it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    I have that too. You ever get nauseous from it?
    that's why they recommended to start with a single tablespoon. if you take too much its hard on the gutz!
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