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    Trying to go stim free for a while, looking for a good, solid, stim free preworkout, or preworkout stack! Cannot have creatine so that eliminates Ultima, any other suggestions? Was debating stacking Hemavol with Body Octane and Purple Wraath

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    Hemavol truly is untouchable in the stim free preworkout arena

    stim free focus XT is great but the pumps and blowing up stim free is hemavol


    when you get back on stims add hemavol to your favorite pre for much much fun
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    All great options, consider adding a little demiurge to it to make for a nice little stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post
    Trying to go stim free for a while, looking for a good, solid, stim free preworkout, or preworkout stack! Cannot have creatine so that eliminates Ultima, any other suggestions? Was debating stacking Hemavol with Body Octane and Purple Wraath
    Any reason for no creatine? And what exactly do you want out of it?

    Regardless my favorite stim free and creatine free pre-workouts are Body Octane, Hemavol, and Protocol unless I am just making something out of bulk powders/pills. So seems like you have a good start with what you are looking at.
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    When I'm off of Jack3d Micro, this is my go to mix...

    1-2 scoops Hemovol
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    everybody likes something different

    Stim - (energy) - Superpump Max + Beta Alanine + Agmatine + BCAAs

    Non Stim - Hemavol is the best IMO hands down


    you can make your own non stim with creatine, aminos, agmatine, bcaas...etc
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    For stim free i would say hemavol was pretty sweet ha !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post
    Trying to go stim free for a while, looking for a good, solid, stim free preworkout, or preworkout stack! Cannot have creatine so that eliminates Ultima, any other suggestions? Was debating stacking Hemavol with Body Octane and Purple Wraath
    That sounds mighty powerful but amazing nevertheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    That sounds mighty powerful but amazing nevertheless.
    agreed. i think hemavol needs to be in there somewhere. you could also look at compete. just finished a tub of the orange. got a fruit punch in the stash, and ordered a lemon in the sale. i like adding 2-4g of cit mal to compete.
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    I love Protocol desert punch mixed with Hemavol watermelon freaking delicious
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    Quote Originally Posted by vicesoldier View Post
    I love Protocol desert punch mixed with Hemavol watermelon freaking delicious
    going to do something similar when the bjj world champions get close
    Protocol + Compete. should be great.
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    Make your own.

    BCAA or EAA
    Creatine
    Beta Alanine
    Citrulline
    Carb Powder
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    Preworkout: 1 scoop HemaVol + 1 scoop Compete
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    Quote Originally Posted by hossjob View Post
    Make your own.

    BCAA or EAA
    Creatine
    Beta Alanine
    Citrulline
    Carb Powder
    Am I better off using power carb/karbolyn/karbolic for a carb or just straight dextrose?
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    Pump-Bol was awesome. Hemavol is still the awesome.

    Any of you guys try Opus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post
    Am I better off using power carb/karbolyn/karbolic for a carb or just straight dextrose?

    Great question. I HATE dextrose. Never did like how it made me feel. I actually LOVE Karbolyn from AAEFX. I love Chain'd Reaction by ALR too, it's hydrolyzed brown rice solids witha bit of MCTs in it. I've actualy been doing Chain'd Reaction pre and Karbolyn post. I don't know off the top of my head what carb source is in Karbolic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hossjob View Post

    Great question. I HATE dextrose. Never did like how it made me feel. I actually LOVE Karbolyn from AAEFX. I love Chain'd Reaction by ALR too, it's hydrolyzed brown rice solids witha bit of MCTs in it. I've actualy been doing Chain'd Reaction pre and Karbolyn post. I don't know off the top of my head what carb source is in Karbolic.
    Power carb was my favorite, but Karbolyn was cheaper so I got that. Karbolic has a bunch of other ingredients to but tastes like crap and doesn't mix at all. It also turns my preworkout orange for some reason and is weirdly sweet even though it's unflavored. I might just go back to Karbolyn unless you recommend Chain'd over that
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    Quote Originally Posted by hossjob View Post
    Make your own.

    BCAA or EAA
    Creatine
    Beta Alanine
    Citrulline
    Carb Powder
    I was going to mention this as well, good call! Then you know for sure your getting the correct dosage and of course stim free ,like your wanting
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    Well say I was to buy a preworkout and not make my own (still deciding). What is a better product to stack with hemavol, Body octane or Drive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post
    Well say I was to buy a preworkout and not make my own (still deciding). What is a better product to stack with hemavol, Body octane or Drive?
    I'd go with Body Octane, thats a great product!
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    Those two combined with my new tub of Purple Wraath for intra should work out perfectly!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post
    Those two combined with my new tub of Purple Wraath for intra should work out perfectly!!!
    Unstoppable combo!!
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    Adding purple wraath to anything just gives this boost that I can't quite describe!! Oh and it has a TON of Beta Alanine in it!! FYI bros, stack it with White flood, and drink a serving of both down all at once! You'll thank me!!
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    Stim free focus xt is awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack411 View Post
    Stim free focus xt is awesome!
    So would you recommend stacking that with hemavol over body octane cuz you're like the tenth person to mention that product to me at some point in time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post
    So would you recommend stacking that with hemavol over body octane cuz you're like the tenth person to mention that product to me at some point in time
    Stim free focus xt and hemavol are amazing together.You will get the mental clarity and out of this world focus,and amazing pumps.i can't speak on the body octane,never tried it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack411 View Post
    Stim free focus xt and hemavol are amazing together.You will get the mental clarity and out of this world focus,and amazing pumps.i can't speak on the body octane,never tried it.
    This. It even tastes pretty good
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    I'm stim free right now because i start contest prep in a month on heavy stims.. 1 scoop hemavol + 1 scoop compete pre, and 1 scoop compete intra.. keeps me rockin the whole time.


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    Re: Best stim free preworkout or preworkout stack?


    I'm with bolt... Why no creatine?

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    Hemavol hands down
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    I'm with bolt... Why no creatine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    1 scoop Caffeine-Free Focus XT
    2-3 scoops SNS Citrulline Malate

    Cheap, simple, and effective.
    What about agamatine? Or is that not really necessary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post
    What about agamatine? Or is that not really necessary?
    Agmatine would make it even better, but citrulline malate is on a crazy sale here at Nutra right now.
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    I'm a fan of Anabolic Ignite granted it has creatine and OP so no creatine. Cheaper to make your own at that point.
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