super stack!!!

[thr33x]

Would this be too much for the body and just a waste of money? 8 to 12 week cycle bulk for 8 cut for 4.
Erase pro x 2
Anabeta elite x 2
X factor OG x 2
Dpol x 2
Pro complex gainer 10lb
Alphamine x 2
Vanillean x 2
CLA x 2
LiGHTs out x 2
Bcaas saas x 2
Modern bcaas x 1
Prime x 2
Mass hgh x 2
Creatine o phosphate x 2
Pump hd
Muscle marinade
Condense
Orange triad
Versa 1 x 2
Glycergrow
Slinshot x 2
Lclt
Protein 4lb

 

[bla55]

Holy... And I thought I had a lot of supps going on.

I guess if you can afford it? But in reality you're not really going to ever know what is really helping you. Perhaps focus on one supp for each need at a time?

 

[mpaquett]

Da fuq OP?!

How is your diet?

 

[Bamski]

Thats a lot of supps. If your going for a bulk 8 weeks should give great results with ABE, EP, and Dpol since im guessing thats the DAA supp you have. As for the cut, Alphamine, Slinshot and Lights out for PM use. Keep it simple, more is not always better. You can actually turn this one huge arsenal of supps into a good 2-3 cycles for whatever goals.

 

[breezy11]

At 19, you probably won't benefit much from DAA either.

 

[Bamski]

Oh i didn't know he was 19..

 

[Piledahlaren]

its a joke right?? hope so.. lol

 

[cprice44]

I hope your kidding. supplements are nice, but there is not substitute for hard work! Save your money. If you want to get something I would suggest:

Weightgainer or protein.
Multivitamin.
Maybe a good preworkout.
Creatine
And maybe some BCAAs.

At 19 that's all you need.

 

[Celorza]

Would this be too much for the body and just a waste of money? 8 to 12 week cycle bulk for 8 cut for 4.
Erase pro x 2 You are 19 , no need for an AI
Anabeta elite x 2 Anabeta should suffice if you want to bulk up, Elite should be best for a recomp...you are 19 anyway...take it if you want
X factor OG x 2 If you have your diet and workout plan well nailed down, take 1.5-2.5g of ArA a day with GMS and Agmatine Sulfate
Dpol x 2 What do you need DAA for at 19? Plenty of test, and you would not see many effects...if you just want nitrates, get APS creatine nitrate or Condense
Pro complex gainer 10lb Get a proper diet, this is just a milkshake with added carbs and calories...
Alphamine x 2 If you want to bulk I wouldn't take it, if you want to cut, dose as per label and enjoy...dose it on an empty stomach.
Vanillean x 2 So you like spending big on supps because you fear fat gains on a bulk or just throw everything into a cut? I would use Vanillean on a cut only
CLA x 2 Worthless, does nothing, dump it.
LiGHTs out x 2 Good for sleeping, don't see why you would need it unless you are on a bulk.
Bcaas saas x 2 No need for BCAAs on a bulk , specially if protein allotment and caloric surplus is effective. On a cut however, only if it is late stages and protein numbers have begun to decline OR unless you are doing any sort of IF method/
Modern bcaas x 1 Read above...anyhow between those and these, I would take Bulk Modern BCAAs any day of the week.
Prime x 2 No need for it at your age at all lol...or any age iMO
Mass hgh x 2 Again why the need for a HGH product at 19? Still , good for going to bed...
Creatine o phosphate x 2 2g pre workout only.
Pump hd Garbage
Muscle marinade Stim buzz , not bad
Condense Yes , good nitrates
Orange triad If you are on a bulk, get a proper diet and you might not need a multi, on a cut please take Orange Triad because you might be micro-nutrient deficient.
Versa 1 x 2 19 years old on a patented anabolic? Seems legit...no shortcuts, just eat train sleep, that said...it could be a good investment...
Glycergrow If you take ArA take it with 1-2 scoops of Glycergrow pre workout.
Slinshot x 2 Not my favorite GDA but if you are that carb-concerned you can have it 20-30 mins before a high carb meal...preferrably on a cut...
Lclt take 2g with ArA pre-workout, if not , you can still take it pre-workout at that dosage.
Protein 4lb Steak my friend...steak, chicken, eggs, milk , fish are your protein friends, no need for a milkshake

Answered in bold...you managed to take most of the forums favorites and missed three key supplements. Creatine, Fish oils (high EPA/DHA content) and Beta-Alanine...so you know not much about supplements...Just don't go all out and put your hopes in supplements and put your hopes in hard work, a proper diet and plenty of rest.

I hope your kidding. supplements are nice, but there is not substitute for hard work! Save your money. If you want to get something I would suggest:

Weightgainer or protein. No...
Multivitamin. If needed only when the diet is bad or when on a cut.
Maybe a good preworkout. Not needed, but now that you mention it, nothing like Focus-XT or Craze
Creatine Finally , thank you! Creatine Monohydrate or Magnesium Creatine Chelate
And maybe some BCAAs. Not necessary, but they can have their place

At 19 that's all you need.In your opinion only

And answered there too.

Have a good Christmas Eve!

 

[Bamski]

Good post celorza! right on the money.

 

[thr33x]

Answered in bold...you managed to take most of the forums favorites and missed three key supplements. Creatine, Fish oils (high EPA/DHA content) and Beta-Alanine...so you know not much about supplements...Just don't go all out and put your hopes in supplements and put your hopes in hard work, a proper diet and plenty of rest.

And answered there too.

Have a good Christmas Eve!

Well the fish oil would dim down the x factor effects. I have about a years worth of bulk micronized creatine plus the gainer has some plus most pre's have creatine same with the beta alanine. Im not that big of a fan of beta alanine. im not new to supps i wasnt saying do i have the basics down. Jw if all that would be a waist to take. I hate all the steriotypical hes under the age 21 he must not have the diet or training down and just wants the supplements to do all the work. I know how to get results EAT, sleep, train, repeat!

 

[thr33x]

I think i know a little about supplements. Annd my training and diet are in check also. Once i start a cycle my diet will be a little stricter though.

 

[Profion]

Listen up fellow...
Im going to try not to come out rude, but you have the wrong attitude towards supplements and you have become a color craver as i would call it.

I might be big, and jacked.. But walking into a shopping mall, i always get cought up my looking at these retarded energy drinks that have wierdo colors that just shine buy me! Funny thing is that i buy them and i stack them

Its allmost like Jojo´s, Caps, Pokemon without you knowing it your attracted to the brand and the coloring then the product it self, it could be that you actually think that the product is going to give you that edge... Your really cougt, if you think that supplments are made to help you and not earn your money! Sure a single - 2 products from a company is great, often they just create more products so they underages fans buy them!

If you want to get jacked and big buy: no-xplode, then by nitrix to support no-xplode and none other creatine works with this stack then Cellmass it might be expersive but its worth it<------------------ NOOOOOOOOT

i think your wasting money and looking like an idiot for alot of people on here. Instead donate some of that **** to cancerforum.com and research food / diet more..


you got the impression that they worked that great due to jay cutler or ronnie coleman? i was like this my self, stacking the BSN products CUZ they where so fanzy.. But did they do anything, nah not really.. instead of using 3000$ to gain 1kg mass then buy testosteron for 10$ and gain 15kg

 

[Profion]

Could this actually be his diet?

 

[breezy11]

I hate all the steriotypical hes under the age 21 he must not have the diet or training down and just wants the supplements to do all the work. I know how to get results EAT, sleep, train, repeat!

I don't think your diet and training are the reasons why people are against you taking all those supps. IMO you just don't need the majority of them at 19, and some probably won't benefit you much at all. I started lifting at 14 and didn't use any supps besides protein and creatine for my first 7 years of training...Progress came easier during that time, than it does with any amount of supplementation now.

 

[RecompMan]

I think i know a little about supplements. Annd my training and diet are in check also. Once i start a cycle my diet will be a little stricter though.

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I want your money man. All this and only a few things worth it IMO

Good luck with everything

 

[snagencyV2.0]

...so you know not much about supplements...

brutal.

 

[thr33x]

Listen up fellow...
Im going to try not to come out rude, but you have the wrong attitude towards supplements and you have become a color craver as i would call it.

I might be big, and jacked.. But walking into a shopping mall, i always get cought up my looking at these retarded energy drinks that have wierdo colors that just shine buy me! Funny thing is that i buy them and i stack them

Its allmost like Jojo´s, Caps, Pokemon without you knowing it your attracted to the brand and the coloring then the product it self, it could be that you actually think that the product is going to give you that edge... Your really cougt, if you think that supplments are made to help you and not earn your money! Sure a single - 2 products from a company is great, often they just create more products so they underages fans buy them!

If you want to get jacked and big buy: no-xplode, then by nitrix to support no-xplode and none other creatine works with this stack then Cellmass it might be expersive but its worth it<------------------ NOOOOOOOOT

i think your wasting money and looking like an idiot for alot of people on here. Instead donate some of that **** to cancerforum.com and research food / diet more..

you got the impression that they worked that great due to jay cutler or ronnie coleman? i was like this my self, stacking the BSN products CUZ they where so fanzy.. But did they do anything, nah not really.. instead of using 3000$ to gain 1kg mass then buy testosteron for 10$ and gain 15kg

I just like supplements. Im not buying them cause of ronnie coleman or anyone. I just like supplements. Ive never like bsn they look overpriced and from the samples ive tried they dont work for me. The only reason i have the bpi stuff is cause it was free. I guess i shouldnt have asked that question cause im not getting the answer. At 19 im not going to do steroids so no on the test. I will just do like 3 seperate cycles with that list. Im never gonna know if they work for me or not. And if i dont buy them i will always want to so if i waste my money owell at least i know if that supp works or not

 

[jimbuick]

Muscletech?

 

[kbayne]

Well the fish oil would dim down the x factor effects. I have about a years worth of bulk micronized creatine plus the gainer has some plus most pre's have creatine same with the beta alanine. Im not that big of a fan of beta alanine. im not new to supps i wasnt saying do i have the basics down. Jw if all that would be a waist to take. I hate all the steriotypical hes under the age 21 he must not have the diet or training down and just wants the supplements to do all the work. I know how to get results EAT, sleep, train, repeat!

Fish oil can still be taken with X-Factor just dose 4-5 hours away from it.

Also why are you not a fan of beta-alanine? The second most well researched effective supplement next to creatine...

 

[thr33x]

Muscletech?

Muscletech has improved actually. Nanostim is my favorite pump product. Neurocore was great to i just began to build a tolerance. Hydroxystim was a little dissapointing though.

 

[thr33x]

Fish oil can still be taken with X-Factor just dose 4-5 hours away from it.

Also why are you not a fan of beta-alanine? The second most well researched effective supplement next to creatine...

I will just get cissus instead for joints and i meant for preworkout use. Unless i get like 3 months worth beta alanine i wont notice much except for tingles

 

[kbayne]

I will just get cissus instead for joints and i meant for preworkout use. Unless i get like 3 months worth beta alanine i wont notice much except for tingles

You wont really see effects until 3-4 weeks. Yes you will feel the tingles from beta-alanine when you dose it from the start. Also you should take it for a minimum of 12 weeks to optimize the carnosine levels.

Also its been noted that it will enhance HIIT, improve endurance performance and lean muscle mass.

 

[Celorza]

Well the fish oil would dim down the x factor effects. I have about a years worth of bulk micronized creatine plus the gainer has some plus most pre's have creatine same with the beta alanine. Im not that big of a fan of beta alanine. im not new to supps i wasnt saying do i have the basics down. Jw if all that would be a waist to take. I hate all the steriotypical hes under the age 21 he must not have the diet or training down and just wants the supplements to do all the work. I know how to get results EAT, sleep, train, repeat!

Lol no it wouldn't , not if taken away from the omega 6 dosages...again you do not know everything. You can take it on a separate dose well away from it and get the benefits from both.

Question if you know "all about eat, train, sleep" why go all out on supps like this? Just wondering...I mean you are good for the business but it only sounds like throwing money away in childish hopes to get there faster, or just out of boredom and will to waste money (I would know about wanting to spend money lol).

Most of the things you picked are worth it, I am not gonna deny it...but why rely so much on supplements? Just a question and food for thought...it is either money or supplements that are gonna act as a psychological crutch if this is left un-handled

 

[jimbuick]

It's not hard to improve upon crap

 

[kbayne]

It's not hard to improve upon crap

I remember when I first started working out and fell in the muscletech trap lol

 

[jimbuick]

I remember when I first started working out and fell in the muscletech trap lol

I can honestly say I've never used anything from muscletech

 

[Celorza]

I can honestly say I've never used anything from muscletech

I'll just say that their brand new stuff is better than the huge pile of garbage they sold for a long time.

 

[kbayne]

I can honestly say I've never used anything from muscletech

I wish I could. I only used cell-tech and nitro-tech for a few tubs each before I learned my lesson.

 

[breezy11]

I wish I could. I only used cell-tech and nitro-tech for a few tubs each before I learned my lesson.

I did the same back in the day. It wasn't very long after Al Gore invented the internet, so I didn't know any better or have access to online retailers lol.

 

[WayneD]

Overkill, follow Celorza response

 

[Piston Honda]

OP: you're missing some of the Nutraplanet top 100 in your stack.

 

[thr33x]

OP: you're missing some of the Nutraplanet top 100 in your stack.

Thats for the next stack hahahaha

 

[mpaquett]

I can honestly say I've never used anything from muscletech

Got a couple tubs of NitroTech 2lbers for $4.99 each off of wheycheap a while back. Definitely a score.

I'll just say that their brand new stuff is better than the huge pile of garbage they sold for a long time.

This. MT is really starting to step up and trying to be competitive instead of focusing their marketing towards noobs (which proved pretty effective). lol

OP: you're missing some of the Nutraplanet top 100 in your stack.

Lol.

 

[bla55]

Holy...

19... And with that amount of supplements... WTF.

Kid, (holy sht... just went there)

No amount of supplements is going to replace hard work, good nutrition and good training. No supplement, no steroid, no nothing will replace good behavior, attitude and dedication inside or outside the gym. Period. Taking all these supps and not eating right or not training right and getting sht faced on the weekends will bring you absolutely nowhere aside from an emptier bank account.

Not to mention that at 19 you most likely are not experienced enough to know your body limitations, and surely you have yet to reach a plateau when it comes to muscle gain, so all of this is going to be one big waste as the added benefits from this are going to be minimal when compared to placebo group.

Get your workout straightened out before you jump into these

 

[cprice44]

...

 

[bananaClip]

OP, lots of stuff there! i dont think you need the caffeine free focus xt, let me buy it off you?

 

[Spaniard]

OP, lots of stuff there! i dont think you need the caffeine free focus xt, let me buy it off you?

I see what you did there... And I like it

- Valdez

 

[Bamski]

I see what you did there... And I like it - Valdez

You know what i DONT like? Its not at nutra still

 

[Spaniard]

You know what i DONT like? Its not at nutra still

Soon brother soon... Might want to pick up a few to prepare for another drought lol

- Valdez

 

[Celorza]

Patience is a good virtue to learn and practice, perhaps a new years resolution is in order for our avid and awaiting CF FXT crowd?

 

[Bamski]

Yes sirrr! thats my plan, especially since i've never tried the caffeine and i know it would work so well with my daily regime!

 

[Miss Q]

Just curious.....how much did all of that cost??? WOW!!! :shocked:


I say double that stack.....and go with it!!!

 

[thr33x]

Holy...

19... And with that amount of supplements... WTF.

Kid, (holy sht... just went there)

No amount of supplements is going to replace hard work, good nutrition and good training. No supplement, no steroid, no nothing will replace good behavior, attitude and dedication inside or outside the gym. Period. Taking all these supps and not eating right or not training right and getting sht faced on the weekends will bring you absolutely nowhere aside from an emptier bank account.

Not to mention that at 19 you most likely are not experienced enough to know your body limitations, and surely you have yet to reach a plateau when it comes to muscle gain, so all of this is going to be one big waste as the added benefits from this are going to be minimal when compared to placebo group.

Get your workout straightened out before you jump into these

These arent a replacement i never said that. My training is in check so is my diet. i dont drink so enough wish all the accusations. All i was asking was if this stack was a waste to take all at once. Not if my training was in check or if i new my body limitations.

 

[Bamski]

Im pretty sure the consensus was that it WAS too much.. From what i see.. you can easily make a good 2 maybe 3 cycles from what you have. Impressive stash no doubt, but more is certainly not better in this case.

 

[bla55]

These arent a replacement i never said that. My training is in check so is my diet. i dont drink so enough wish all the accusations. All i was asking was if this stack was a waste to take all at once. Not if my training was in check or if i new my body limitations.

Well, that is the impression that you promote of yourself; as a 19 year old, you shouldn't be asking if this humongous list of supps is good, more likely you should eb asking about your nutrition and training, as they will be the determinant factor on your growth at that age.

 

[Celorza]

I still don't see why a healthy 19 year old would need half this stuff...refer to my post on each and everyone of them as for the reasons...but then again, We are just internet personas to him...and he is a 19 year old , we've all been young an stubborn, so we might as well give proper advice...


Out of all the ones, which ones do you really want to run and I can help you set up dosage and diet for each, just don't overdo it...you have at least 4-5 good stacks there...no need to just throw it all in at once.

 

[Spaniard]

These arent a replacement i never said that. My training is in check so is my diet. i dont drink so enough wish all the accusations. All i was asking was if this stack was a waste to take all at once. Not if my training was in check or if i new my body limitations.

Your question -"is it a waste to take all at once"

Answer - yes, not only a waste but absurd

- Valdez

 

[Celorza]

I am 34 which of these would you think I would need. I ask because after 8,348 post I would think you know just about more than anyone else on the site.

Lol trust me , mr.cooper69 is the most educated person in this forums, him and another handful of good folk here. I just like to help out.

What are your goals brother? If I can be of assistance I'll gladly do so, and also what are you taking atm?

 

[Celorza]

Taking-Creatine,Fish oil, Cissus, Agmatine, C.O.P, Multi., Gluc.Chond.MSM, Bioforge, Beta-Alanine, Whey-Casine, R-ALA, ALC, Carnitine.
I am interested in ecdy/E-Bol and SARMS Ostarine. Interested in anything that helps with lean muscle and joint health.

Thanks

ECDY will do nothing at all...(prepare for massive flaming from the ECDY groupies here), but as far as Osta, you have to find a reputable source yourself and try it if you so wish for...you will need a PCT since it is suppressive, normal cycles are anywhere from 25-50mg , why? Beats me, the human trial was not even at half that dosage...and even then it proved to be suppressive.

I would change the R-Ala for Na-R-Ala and add ALCAR with it's dose prior to meals (1-2g ALCAR with 300mg Na-R-Ala). If you are taking COP take it preworkout 2g on workout days only...hm fish oil shoot from 3-5g of EPA/DHA content, agmatine can be from 1-1.5g (depending on weight) and I would just go for a good protein if you so wish for, like Ultra Peptide or Trutein.

Carnitine...which salt? And if it is LCLT make it 2g pre-workout. How long have you been taking the bioforge? Honestly if you want lean muscle and put on some size I would just go with Anabeta (the original) and ArA (arachidonic acid, xfactor)...well that and the GMS and LCLT to go along with the ArA.

If you know your t levels shoot em up, perhaps you could benefit from some DAA too, even if Anacyclus is a test booster of it's own too.