Strong stimulated pre-workout ingredients?

[sina]

It's been awhile I haven't been here. I know most of you purchase bulk ingredients and just mix/formulate ingredients to your likings. I have insomnia and very busy with school getting my PhD! I used to love Geranium/1-3DMAA this stuff worked great for studying, training and all that. It was like crack...

Anyways I am looking for an ingredient to benefit not only in the gym but something that would make me very jittery/alert/in-the-zone and maybe euphoria? I typically take Vyvanse (A form of adderall) and it works okay meh... Since Geranium/1,3DMAA is banned what is out there that is good? I was thinking about this for a pre-workout / energy boost...

~ 400-800mg Caffeine Anhydrous (Vivarin tablets)
~ Niacin (With Flush apparently a study shown niacin with Flush is more effective than Flush-free)
~ Yohimbine HCL
~ Phenylethylamine HCL
~ Agmatine Sulfate 1.2g ( Friends said they took 1.5g, 2g, 3g. No extra noticable benefits compared to 1-1.2g)
~ Simple-carb source (Vitargo S2 or Karbolyn)
~ Creatine Nitrate (CN2) or Creatine HCL otherwise both.

Additional perhaps Test-boosting may be great extra to the stack...
~Horny Goat Weed
~MACA/Tribulus
~DHEA (Although I hear not good unless you are 35 years +)

Post-workout Creatine
~ (GDA) R-ALA / Chromium / Vanadyl
~ Creatine HCL 1.5g (is this good enough for a daily-dosage?)
~ Creatine Nitrate (not sure on good effective dosage
~ 2-3g Micronize Creapure mono

Aminos, all that i'll get to that later.

[Rodja]

1,3 isn't banned. There was a lot of sabre rattling, but nothing has come down the pipe (yet).

[sina]

Can you get 1,3 in bulk? I'm skeptical about companies selling it. Such as True Nutrition, Smart Powders.

[Rodja]

Can you get 1,3 in bulk? I'm skeptical about companies selling it. Such as True Nutrition, Smart Powders.

As in powder? Not sure, but I know that SP has the same supplier as Primaforce and Scivation.

[Royd The Noyd]

If you want stims try ProSupps Mr Hyde. Caffeine, dmaa, yohimbine, etc.

[Celorza]

Craze hits you good too.

[AaronJP1]

Muscle Marinade...
Give that a look bud, may suit your needs.

[Piston Honda]

I've got 4 bottles of Nutra geranium in my hoard. Bunch of Dexaprine also. Good once in a while to open a cap into Hemavol or Condense or any PWO for that matter. MM is pretty smooth and tasty as far as stims go!

[DJBeanPole]

I'd check out Lecheek's SpeedX3's profile. It has a couple of the items you listed in blue in it and had me feeling exactly how you described that you'd like to feel.

[theotherone55]

Can you get 1,3 in bulk? I'm skeptical about companies selling it. Such as True Nutrition, Smart Powders.

One of those companies is g2g man. True Nutrition is a top notch place and I've never even heard of anyone getting dubed by them. Smart powders is ehhhh sometimes.I'm waiting for a response from them after I ordered one thing and they basically shipped me something else with a new label slapped on top...which i peeled off. It was protein though—but stillll.I've never been a crazy fan of DMAA...just take some EC stack

[BigMikeC]

That's a lot of stims. Your asking for sides. Adrenal fatigue, over stimulated nervous system. It may keep you wired. But from a training aspect it will suffer. More is Not always better. Ever check your blood pressure on that many stems?

[sina]

Isn't Muscle-Marinade discontinued with the Geranium in it? Unless they have a new formula w/out 13DMAA?

Ty

Muscle Marinade...
Give that a look bud, may suit your needs.

[murk01]

That's a lot of stims. Your asking for sides. Adrenal fatigue, over stimulated nervous system. It may keep you wired. But from a training aspect it will suffer. More is Not always better. Ever check your blood pressure on that many stems?

Werd!

Look into nootropics,

[murk01]

Isn't Muscle-Marinade discontinued with the Geranium in it? Unless they have a new formula w/out 13DMAA?

Ty

Common now, dont talk crazy!

[BigBlackGuy]

Craze is awesome. Axon+Demiurge stack from Antaeus Labs is spot on, especially if you want that "in the zone" feeling. No crash either.

[Mack411]

look into muscle marinade!

[Distilled Water]

USPlabs Jack3d (original) is still around and kicking in a good number of flavors too

[mr.cooper69]

SNS Adrena-G can still be found. 25mg 1,3D per cap. Throw some caffeine tabs and ergobolic (I swear this increases stimulant sensitivity) into the mix and you've got a great combo.

[Jiigzz]

1,3 isn't banned. There was a lot of sabre rattling, but nothing has come down the pipe (yet).

Depends where you're from banned where I am.

8 cans of red bull and you're good to go

[bono1132]

Fierce with powerfull and ABE pre plus nanner