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  1. Primordial Performance raided by FDA



    Pretty crazy stuff.FDA has nothing better to do apparently???Go raid a cigarette company or something!


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    This, well... sucks.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by mattikus View Post
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    This, well... sucks.
    Updated, sorry bout that.
    Nice avi, I want to do that after reading this lol.
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  4. Thought DHEA was legal in America?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV
    Thought DHEA was legal in America?
    Yep but the feds are like the big brother in a game. If they don't like the outcome they throw a fit and make up new rules.

  6. This is insane...
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  7. Woah!

    Breaking news.
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    Extremely unfortunate turn of events... PP is a solid company and this is quite absurd.

    Tons and tons of cocaine, heroin etc getting moved everyday from Mexico and the gov is spending 100's of thousands of dollars investing in a case against a DSHEA compliant supplement. Think of all the man hours doing surveillance, putting together raid teams, high priced lawyers, internet monitoring and so on for months possibly a year collecting "evidence".

    The government originally was intended to be ran by the people and now?

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    I whole heartedly hope that Eric was prepared for this as he stated he was and collects a **** ton of money for damages and wrongful arrest/seizure of property. Then the FDA can fund the production to replace seized product. After which, I'm buying a 12 week cycle and running it in the name of the crooked ass FDA.

    - Valdez

  10. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Thought DHEA was legal in America?
    i think it has a little more to do with the transdermals.......to the best of my knowledge, they are a bit of a "grey area" within the supp industry/DSHEA.



    that being said.....i would agree; FDA has more important things to be doing than raiding supp companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldwanus

    i think it has a little more to do with the transdermals.......to the best of my knowledge, they are a bit of a "grey area" within the supp industry/DSHEA.

    that being said.....i would agree; FDA has more important things to be doing than raiding supp companies.
    Topicals aren't regulated by the FDA, they are considered a cosmetic last I heard.

    - Valdez

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Topicals aren't regulated by the FDA, they are considered a cosmetic last I heard.

    - Valdez
    but they are technically being sold as "dietary supplements"


    like i said, one of those weird "grey areas"........and i could be wrong, but i swear i remember there being some strange rules/regulations as far as transdermals go

    EDIT:
    and i love transdermals........be sad if this was the next thing to be cracked down on by the FDA
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  13. They took ****ing sustain alpha and dermatherm and for what? They have no legal grounds to do such thing. What the feds did is completely illegal wtf? They can't confiscate legal products. When something gets banned they don't get raided they get asked to remove their products and stop manufacturing. They receive a letter. This means that the government believes that something extremely illegal is going on at primordial performance. I wonder why?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985
    They took ****ing sustain alpha and dermatherm and for what? They have no legal grounds to do such thing. What the feds did is completely illegal wtf? They can't confiscate legal products. When something gets banned they don't get raided they get asked to remove their products and stop manufacturing. They receive a letter. This means that the government believes that something extremely illegal is going on at primordial performance. I wonder why?
    I definitely agree there has to be more involved here.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    They took ****ing sustain alpha and dermatherm and for what? They have no legal grounds to do such thing. What the feds did is completely illegal wtf? They can't confiscate legal products. When something gets banned they don't get raided they get asked to remove their products and stop manufacturing. They receive a letter. This means that the government believes that something extremely illegal is going on at primordial performance. I wonder why?
    wouldnt be the first time the government raided someone with no real explanation, other than "we felt like we had to".........farmers have been raided for selling raw milk ffs............sad trend happening in the US in general
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    They took ****ing sustain alpha and dermatherm and for what? They have no legal grounds to do such thing. What the feds did is completely illegal wtf? They can't confiscate legal products. When something gets banned they don't get raided they get asked to remove their products and stop manufacturing. They receive a letter. This means that the government believes that something extremely illegal is going on at primordial performance. I wonder why?
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  17. Seriously the worst news ever. PP took my virginity with converting to the dark side and I've used them in every cycle since. Eric is a smart guy, I am going to try to remain optimistic and believe he will turn this sh*t around.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.

  18. I think this is absurd but all is not lost. Hi Tech had their ephedra products seized and eventually returned so hopefully once they get this all sorted out PP will get it's stock back. I am in agreement though their are killer drugs making it to market despite the FDA approval process so perhaps they could get their act together and not bother wasting time with raids like this.

  19. What a ducking joke I still to find 2 bottles of AM to and TRS to finish putting together my first ever run. Typical ****ing government sticking their heads into something they know nothing about. A bunch fat unhealthy unhappy ****s

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  20. Sucky. Big brother strikes again! "We are here to protect you....give us all your stuff!"
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  21. This is a very unfortunate turn of events. I have said this before though and I will say it again. If you plaster the word STEROIDS in your adverstisements you are inviting trouble. Yes PP products are much less in violation then so many other people but the advertising is what rings bells. not ingredients
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    This is a very unfortunate turn of events. I have said this before though and I will say it again. If you plaster the word STEROIDS in your adverstisements you are inviting trouble. Yes PP products are much less in violation then so many other people but the advertising is what rings bells. not ingredients
    I wondered if this was part of the issue. Other companies have similar products but the advertising of PP certainly caught the eye.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by baldwanus View Post
    but they are technically being sold as "dietary supplements"


    like i said, one of those weird "grey areas"........and i could be wrong, but i swear i remember there being some strange rules/regulations as far as transdermals go

    EDIT:
    and i love transdermals........be sad if this was the next thing to be cracked down on by the FDA

    Ours were sold as cosmetics, which is why there wasn't the same ingredient label you see on dietary supplements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy

    Ours were sold as cosmetics, which is why there wasn't the same ingredient label you see on dietary supplements.
    That's what I thought...

    - Valdez

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    This is a very unfortunate turn of events. I have said this before though and I will say it again. If you plaster the word STEROIDS in your adverstisements you are inviting trouble. Yes PP products are much less in violation then so many other people but the advertising is what rings bells. not ingredients
    I have not been given all information yet, but will spread it around as I receive it.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    I have not been given all information yet, but will spread it around as I receive it.
    i emailed eric, but i imagine he is too busy now to chatif there was a search warrant then there was a search warrant affidavit. I am very curious as to what that may have entailed
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Ours were sold as cosmetics, which is why there wasn't the same ingredient label you see on dietary supplements.
    This issue was unfortunately company affiliates advertising the cosmetics as supplements. And the writeups...But there's really no other way to go about it. My sympathies
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Pretty crazy stuff.FDA has nothing better to do apparently???Go raid a cigarette company or something!
    Every time I read something like this it really pisses me off.
    We are not allowed to choose what to put in our bodies, yet a doc can prescribe long term pharma which has tons of side effects.

    My cousin had his kidneys damaged beyond repair from a blood pressure medication that was recalled later and my grandmother had a similar situation with her blood pressure medicine. And they both as far as I know ate healthy diets, exercised, stayed hydrated and all that according to medical orders.

    And even though their items were compliant they get popped.

    What PA said makes sense though. Labeling it a steroid probably got the attention of the Feds.

    Pretty soon we are all going to have to pin Test and Peptides because that will be all left available.

    Sustain Alpha was a mixture of flavones and they got that too.
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  29. Honestly Eric shouldn't have anything to worry about. The products are legal and that's the bottom line. This is going to end up just being a big pain in the ass when all is said and done. In the end all if us are going to have to resort to AAS but honestly I'm headed in that direction anyways. Lets not let these ****ers get us down. The government has too much control and the feds are using their time to do raids like this??? Pathetic!!

  30. yeah they gotta protect us from ourselves, ducking ficks

  31. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Ours were sold as cosmetics, which is why there wasn't the same ingredient label you see on dietary supplements.
    Which they were not...........kind of like selling "bath salts" as bath salts

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  32. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Which they were not...........kind of like selling "bath salts" as bath salts
    I used those in my bath, if you didn't you missed out.

    I don't know what you are trying to prove with these comments. I can state at this point with 100% certainty it had nothing to do with the transdermal gels. So we can all keep making guesses as if we know what happened, or we can wait things out.

    I am not going to provide any information, but I am under impression the company will at some point in the near future.
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  33. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Which they were not...........kind of like selling "bath salts" as bath salts
    bath salts yeah boy gotta love the 4 flouromethylcathinone and Methylenedioxypyrovalerone not at the same time of course but man were they fun

  34. What's the news on this thought primordial was ready for something like this as you said your products were legal an backed up by lawyers or something ? I hope you kick the FDA ass

  35. Quote Originally Posted by Gym4Life View Post
    What's the news on this thought primordial was ready for something like this as you said your products were legal an backed up by lawyers or something ? I hope you kick the FDA ass
    we have officially stated we are folding. The time and money doesnt stack high enough to take on the FDA.
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  36. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy
    we have officially stated we are folding. The time and money doesnt stack high enough to take on the FDA.
    What does this mean in English?

  37. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM

    What does this mean in English?
    Right! This is ****ed
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  38. Thats crazy.. Sucks to hear for sure..

  39. Folding?

    What do they have you guys on(or at least claiming they have you on)?

    Edit: just read below. That really sucks guys.
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