pros & cons of "pumps"? hemavol?

[dsohei]

hey guys- so i have some questions about pumps, and the definitions that may differ between people

so, why are pumps desirable? what health/performance benefits, if any, do pumps give you?
why might they not be desirable?

if someone is mainly looking for athletic/functional performance, are pumps something they may want?

this was brought on by reading threads about hemavol being a great pre-workout for energy, and also giving insane pumps? im not sure i understand because i thought having too many pumps decreases function, in that the muscles are too swollen to perform correctly. but i like the idea of a non-stim pre-workout that gives a lot of energy.
how could i get this non-stim energy without the debilitating pumps?

[boogyman]

Lower back pumps suck when doing deadlifts and such. I stopped taking any "pump" product on deadlift day, it was so bad on time I had to lay on the gym floor for 10 minutes, I couldn't even walk.

A pro would be the fact that for me anyhow, a good pump helps with that mind muscle connection. I find I get more out of some movements when I am getting a good pump. Especially upper back and shoulder work.

[ThunderHumper]

pump = mental orgasm. very powerful placebo, but just that. there really isnt any benefit to it

[AaronJP1]

Curious as to the feedback & responses.

[baldwanus]

While ingredients like agmatine and cit-mal are great for producing that "pump" feeling.............they also have a lot of evidence backing them as performance enhancers. can help with endurance, recovery.....agmatine can even effect mood, and a few other things


http://www.mindandmuscle.net/articles/agmatine-sulfate/ <<<, good quick read on agmatine.....for more info you could try looking through mr.cooper's posts, most of what i know about agmatine, ive learned from him

theres plenty of studies on cit-mal on pubmed as well

[mr.cooper69]

pump = mental orgasm. very powerful placebo, but just that. there really isnt any benefit to it

This statement could not be more inaccurate. The main active pump product in Hemavol (citrulline malate) has been proven effective for performance enhancement in several human trials.

[Torobestia]

hey guys- so i have some questions about pumps, and the definitions that may differ between people

so, why are pumps desirable? what health/performance benefits, if any, do pumps give you?
why might they not be desirable?

if someone is mainly looking for athletic/functional performance, are pumps something they may want?

this was brought on by reading threads about hemavol being a great pre-workout for energy, and also giving insane pumps? im not sure i understand because i thought having too many pumps decreases function, in that the muscles are too swollen to perform correctly. but i like the idea of a non-stim pre-workout that gives a lot of energy.
how could i get this non-stim energy without the debilitating pumps?

Completely anectodal, but I remember one time I had a pump so absolutely massive in my upper pecs, lats, and triceps from incline benching that I still to this day believe that I managed to get a rep even after I was certain I hit failure purely because the pump was strong enough to force the weight up off of itself. All I took was caffeine, though, for this effect. No "pump" products.

[mr.cooper69]

Completely anectodal, but I remember one time I had a pump so absolutely massive in my upper pecs, lats, and triceps from incline benching that I still to this day believe that I managed to get a rep even after I was certain I hit failure purely because the pump was strong enough to force the weight up off of itself. All I took was caffeine, though, for this effect. No "pump" products.

Caffeine is a strong vasodilator in muscle tissue during exercise.

[Torobestia]

Caffeine is a strong vasodilator in muscle tissue during exercise.

Yup. Sorry, I just meant to distinguish it from the batch of products often marketed as pump products. It's strange, but Agmatine(sp) and caffeine are the only things that have ever given me appreciable pumps that I could feel (as opposed to something like Ragnorok that makes my veins really pop out, but I just dont feel my muscles swelling). Haven't tried Creatine/BCAA Nitrates (and don't plan to!)

[mr.cooper69]

Yup. Sorry, I just meant to distinguish it from the batch of products often marketed as pump products. It's strange, but Agmatine(sp) and caffeine are the only things that have ever given me appreciable pumps that I could feel (as opposed to something like Ragnorok that makes my veins really pop out, but I just dont feel my muscles swelling). Haven't tried Creatine/BCAA Nitrates (and don't plan to!)

Ragnorak doesn't really have any ingredients that are dosed adequately to produce a pump, so this comes as no surprise. The improved vascularity was likely just a result of pushing yourself at a faster pace due to the other ingredients in ragnorak.

[jbryand101b]

Ragnorak doesn't really have any ingredients that are dosed adequately to produce a pump, so this comes as no surprise. The improved vascularity was likely just a result of pushing yourself at a faster pace due to the other ingredients in ragnorak.

But it taste great!

[OrganicShadow]

I have a love hate relationship with them for reasons described. When my arms, chest, back gets too pumped its difficult for me to fully peak out a motion. Now in some cases like the big lifts of squats, barbell rows, shrugs, bench press, etc this has little negative as I'm going for power but when more concentrated motions and stretching motions it can become a burden.

Check out N.O. Uptake - I'm a big fan of Hemavol (especially stacked with RPM) but NO Uptake has a very unique pump to it that localizes to muscle tissue excluding the extracellular matrix that causes that overbearing "swollen" feel.

[criticalbench]

Caffeine is a strong vasodilator in muscle tissue during exercise.

I know the word vasodilator and caffeine in the same sentence is throwing him for a serious loop!

lol

[mr.cooper69]

Check out N.O. Uptake - I'm a big fan of Hemavol (especially stacked with RPM) but NO Uptake has a very unique pump to it that localizes to muscle tissue excluding the extracellular matrix that causes that overbearing "swollen" feel.

Could you elaborate on this? Not sure I follow

[Diesel0022]

Could you elaborate on this? Not sure I follow

Its simple really, just follow the general rule of flux capacitation and when you reach 88 reps per minute of your previous 1RM with 100%ROM you will be sent back 30 years into the past.

[VaughnTrue]

I have a love hate relationship with them for reasons described. When my arms, chest, back gets too pumped its difficult for me to fully peak out a motion. Now in some cases like the big lifts of squats, barbell rows, shrugs, bench press, etc this has little negative as I'm going for power but when more concentrated motions and stretching motions it can become a burden.

Check out N.O. Uptake - I'm a big fan of Hemavol (especially stacked with RPM) but NO Uptake has a very unique pump to it that localizes to muscle tissue excluding the extracellular matrix that causes that overbearing "swollen" feel.

LOL - OP asks about HemaVol...company rep instead offers his new product.

[vicesoldier]

LOL - OP asks about HemaVol...company rep instead offers his new product.

LOL HemaVol FTW!!!!

[allnatural923]

LOL HemaVol FTW!!!!

this, as far as pumps and endurance go it's tough to beat hemavol. i never train without it

[mr.cooper69]

I was actually being serious with my post since it makes no sense, biologically speaking.

[criticalbench]

I was actually being serious with my post since it makes no sense, biologically speaking.

Bump!