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    Do fat burners really work/worth it


    Why is everyone so crazy about fat burners? Wouldn't taking caffeine basically be as effective as all of the fillers and what not in "fat burners"? I feel like its a lot if hype and the benefit to cost ratio is not very good.
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    what constitutes a "fat burner" as you say? what do you speak of?
    you compare a singular ingredient (caffeine) to an entire sub-category of products.
    "fat burners" are a general topic, with many different structures and compounds.
    is caffeine "the best" if you want to "burn fat"?
    quite simply - no.
    can caffeine be a useful adjunct in fat-loss goals?
    sure. ECA stack is considered by many to be among the best and simplest options out there...

    can all ppl use caffeine or tolerate ECA?
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    if you don't like the idea of "fat burner" products, don't use them.
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    Caffeine isn't even really a "fat burner." It's more of an umbrella term that far too many people think constitutes only stimulants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0
    what constitutes a "fat burner" as you say? what do you speak of?
    you compare a singular ingredient (caffeine) to an entire sub-category of products.
    "fat burners" are a general topic, with many different structures and compounds.
    is caffeine "the best" if you want to "burn fat"?
    quite simply - no.
    can caffeine be a useful adjunct in fat-loss goals?
    sure. ECA stack is considered by many to be among the best and simplest options out there...

    can all ppl use caffeine or tolerate ECA?
    no.

    if you don't like the idea of "fat burner" products, don't use them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    Caffeine isn't even really a "fat burner." It's more of an umbrella term that far too many people think constitutes only stimulants.
    I'm confused... People always buy "thermogenic fat burners per say" most are loaded with caffeine, what else in it really "burns" fat. Like is there a specific one worth taking, example: oxyelite pro, hydroxycut, redline..etc... I know people say acai berry is good , but does any of this actually burn fat
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    And eca has ephedrine still?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5 View Post
    I'm confused... People always buy "thermogenic fat burners per say" most are loaded with caffeine, what else in it really "burns" fat. Like is there a specific one worth taking, example: oxyelite pro, hydroxycut, redline..etc... I know people say acai berry is good , but does any of this actually burn fat
    "Burning fat" is a pretty broad and worthless term. Many ingredients can stimulate lipolysis or oxidation of fats, yes. ECA will unquestionably yield superior fat loss results versus taking nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5 View Post
    I'm confused... People always buy "thermogenic fat burners per say" most are loaded with caffeine, what else in it really "burns" fat. Like is there a specific one worth taking, example: oxyelite pro, hydroxycut, redline..etc... I know people say acai berry is good , but does any of this actually burn fat

    yohimbine hcl, alpha yohimbine, geranium oil, caffeine for synergy sake, ephedrine hcl, ma huang (alkaloids)

    usnic acid (sodium usinate), then most others are great for mental edge for decreasing appetite.

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    Ok I see.. So if I was starting a cut and wanted to take one product that had a lot of these/have the most benefit to this what would you guys recommend ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5 View Post
    Ok I see.. So if I was starting a cut and wanted to take one product that had a lot of these/have the most benefit to this what would you guys recommend ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    ECA
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    "Burning fat" is a pretty broad and worthless term. Many ingredients can stimulate lipolysis or oxidation of fats, yes. ECA will unquestionably yield superior fat loss results versus taking nothing
    This.

    OP i would check out Alphamine if you're looking for a legit "OTC" fat burner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy

    This.

    OP i would check out Alphamine if you're looking for a legit "OTC" fat burner.
    That's why I wrote it skeptically cause I don't buy that it really "burns fat" reduce appetite maybe, and maybe thermogenically increase metabolism.
    I've looked at alphamine, is there really anything spectacular in it?
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    There are plenty of good fat burners out there, but for my money nothing has beat ECA stack yet. I realize that might not be the choice everyone can make for various reasons, but imo it still remains the champ unless someone wants to go the non-stim route. The fact it also happens to be cheaper than almost every other thermo on the market doesn't hurt either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce
    There are plenty of good fat burners out there, but for my money nothing has beat ECA stack yet. I realize that might not be the choice everyone can make for various reasons, but imo it still remains the champ unless someone wants to go the non-stim route. The fact it also happens to be cheaper than almost every other thermo on the market doesn't hurt either.
    Is it even legit anymore? I know a lot of the ephedrine is fake, how do you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5 View Post
    Is it even legit anymore? I know a lot of the ephedrine is fake, how do you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5 View Post
    That's why I wrote it skeptically cause I don't buy that it really "burns fat" reduce appetite maybe, and maybe thermogenically increase metabolism. I've looked at alphamine, is there really anything spectacular in it?
    Higenamine - Beta agonist (ephedrine also being a beta agonist)
    Yohimbine standardization - A-2 antagonist (essentially shuts off the "stubborn body fat" receptor)
    Chlorogenic acid - Insulin mitigation
    Caffeine
    HICA - Keeps protein synthesis up, allowing more LBM to be retained under severe dieting conditions
    .....the list goes on.

    Its not the same caffeine, 1,3-DMAA, blah blah blah blend on the market. Simply checking out some of the review threads will provide enough information for you to make a better decision on the products efficacy.
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    What's the difference in effects from ECA and ECY? Is ECA more superior than ECY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    What's the difference in effects from ECA and ECY? Is ECA more superior than ECY?
    A=aspirin
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    some ppl (such as myself) cannot tolerate yohimbine..as a stand-alone, it will wreck my world.

    ECA, never had any issue with whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja

    A=aspirin
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    Ik what they were. I was wondering what difference do they have? Ik some people can't tolerate yohimbe but what If someone can which should one choose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Ik what they were. I was wondering what difference do they have? Ik some people can't tolerate yohimbe but what If someone can which should one choose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    If you can tolerate it, do ECA + yohimbine
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    If you can tolerate it, do ECA + yohimbine
    Oh wow really? Didnt know u can. Good to know. Might give it a try come spring time. Add a test booster right? To gain strength?
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Oh wow really? Didnt know u can. Good to know. Might give it a try come spring time. Add a test booster right? To gain strength?
    Testboosters are best used deeper into a cut when testosterone levels naturally fall from a prolonged hypoenergetic state
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Testboosters are best used deeper into a cut when testosterone levels naturally fall from a prolonged hypoenergetic state
    Is there still a noticeable advantage to using one at the beginning, or is it a waste of money compared to benefits in your opinion?

    I'm on aromasin right now and in 1 week I will be switching to erase and pretty excited to see how it works
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Testboosters are best used deeper into a cut when testosterone levels naturally fall from a prolonged hypoenergetic state
    Basically run the ECA+Y for 6 weeks than say go for a test booster and erase?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch5 View Post
    Is there still a noticeable advantage to using one at the beginning, or is it a waste of money compared to benefits in your opinion? I'm on aromasin right now and in 1 week I will be switching to erase and pretty excited to see how it works
    Certainly, it just depends on the product. There are certain testboosters/AIs that work better when your levels are higher (erase, divanil, etc) and certain ones that work better when your levels are lower (DAA, longjack, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Basically run the ECA+Y for 6 weeks than say go for a test booster and erase?
    You can run ECY for up to 12 weeks if you can tolerate it. Testbooster + erase is always a safe bet. Dose Erase at 100-125mg on an empty stomach, first thing in the morning. I'm also big on Reduce XT at the tail-end of a cut since cortisol spikes become more prominent as "stress" (aka lack of calories) builds up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    You can run ECY for up to 12 weeks if you can tolerate it. Testbooster + erase is always a safe bet. Dose Erase at 100-125mg on an empty stomach, first thing in the morning. I'm also big on Reduce XT at the tail-end of a cut since cortisol spikes become more prominent as "stress" (aka lack of calories) builds up.
    Oh wow. Didn't know much on ECY I appreciate the shared knowledge. I had no idea it can be ran for 12 weeks. I'm def going to give it a run in te future. I love erase. Sounds good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    You can run ECY for up to 12 weeks if you can tolerate it. Testbooster + erase is always a safe bet. Dose Erase at 100-125mg on an empty stomach, first thing in the morning. I'm also big on Reduce XT at the tail-end of a cut since cortisol spikes become more prominent as "stress" (aka lack of calories) builds up.
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