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    Need something to supplement my bulk.... halp


    SO my diet and training is spot on and im bulking to about 190 from 170 and i would like to run something to fit these goals (below), however i dont know anything about supplements. Please note i will not be taking anything hormonal, or anything that has any side affects.

    1) increase appetite and libido
    2) daily pump
    3) amplify workouts
    4) natural test boost

    currently taking white flood for pre-workouts. Any help to a guy that knows how to train and diet, but never ventured into any supplements would be great.

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    SNS Agmatine 50g or 100g powder sounds right up your alley for hitting all 3 of those goals without being hormonal.

    Edit: And then a contradictory 4th goal was added...
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    Quote Originally Posted by y0lked View Post
    SO my diet and training is spot on and im bulking to about 190 from 170 and i would like to run something to fit these goals (below), however i dont know anything about supplements. Please not i will not be taking anything hormonal, or anything that has any side affects.

    1) increase appetite and libido
    2) daily pump
    3) amplify workouts

    currently taking white flood for pre-workouts. Any help to a guy that knows how to train and diet, but never ventured into any supplements would be great.
    1)DAA , Inhibit-P
    2) 6g citrulline malate , 1g agmatine sulfate , Arachidonic Acid at 1.5-2.5 grams , either X-Gels or XFactor , 5-8 grams of GMS
    3)2g COP , Beta Alanine around 3.2 grams a day, MCC at 3g a day, Reduce-XT (to keep it lean , and it actually helps with the performance in the workout too).
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    How has no one said Anabeta? In my experienced but unprofessional opinion... You could do DAA/ErasePro/Anabeta and reach those goals easily...

    Throw in some hemavol or AAKG for pumps...
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    I'd go with Anabeta.
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    1) increase appetite and libido - Anabeta for appetite. Sustain Alpha, Trib, IGF 2 for libido
    2) daily pump - Agmatine
    3) amplify workouts - ? Pump? focus? energy? idk what you want here
    4) natural test boost - DAA
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10
    I'd go with Anabeta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    SNS Agmatine 50g or 100g powder sounds right up your alley for hitting all 3 of those goals without being hormonal.

    Edit: And then a contradictory 4th goal was added...
    if i could hit 3/4 id be happy. usually libido and test levels go hand in hand no?
    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    1)DAA , Inhibit-P
    2) 6g citrulline malate , 1g agmatine sulfate , Arachidonic Acid at 1.5-2.5 grams , either X-Gels or XFactor , 5-8 grams of GMS
    3)2g COP , Beta Alanine around 3.2 grams a day, MCC at 3g a day, Reduce-XT (to keep it lean , and it actually helps with the performance in the workout too).
    links? i dont know what any of that means.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzie88 View Post
    How has no one said Anabeta? In my experienced but unprofessional opinion... You could do DAA/ErasePro/Anabeta and reach those goals easily...

    Throw in some hemavol or AAKG for pumps...
    sounds like alot of people are recommending DAA/ErasePro/Anabeta
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    Quote Originally Posted by y0lked
    if i could hit 3/4 id be happy. usually libido and test levels go hand in hand no?
    Not necessarily.
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    Im about to order
    The Prime Time Stack (AnaBeta Elite + Erase Pro)
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    DAA (180 Capsules)

    anything else i should need with these to ensure all this damn food (shooting for 4200 calories) im eating is gonna be pure anabolic? m gonna be bulking hard this fall/winter, want to start it off right!

    Thanks to everyone for the advice, ill post up a log of whatever i order to track the results.

    edit: if i have white flood would it even be worth getting hemavol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzie88

    Sounds like an SNS rep in this biz?
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    Quote Originally Posted by y0lked
    Im about to order
    The Prime Time Stack (AnaBeta Elite + Erase Pro)
    and
    DAA (180 Capsules)

    anything else i should need with these to ensure all this damn food (shooting for 4200 calories) im eating is gonna be pure anabolic? m gonna be bulking hard this fall/winter, want to start it off right!

    Thanks to everyone for the advice, ill post up a log of whatever i order to track the results.

    edit: if i have white flood would it even be worth getting hemavol?
    I think you will be very happy with this stack, not that the others were not solid either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzie88

    Sounds like an SNS rep in this biz?
    Funny how if you check my posts, from even before I was a rep I would recommend, I didnt add Anabeta or Erase links since he already knew what they were...rather added for what he did not comprehend. I love PES lol I'm running a sponsored stack by them too!
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    X-Factor, Intimidate, GMS, and Na-Rala will bulk you up nicely and keep the white flood

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    Just read some other threads about DAA and Erasepro about estrogen suppression. I have no gyno at all and my libido has been low lately. Do you guys think i should stay away from these?

    I'm newly single and definitely want to up the libido and day to day confidence along with the gains.

    I have been saving a can of m-stak that always gives me what I need but I want to run something similar and stronger before m-stak..... Or vise versa. Take m-stak now and prepare for a good solid cycle after??

    I'm lost in this stuff, all I know how to do is pick things up and put them down.... Barbells and Forks lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by y0lked View Post
    Just read some other threads about DAA and Erasepro about estrogen suppression. I have no gyno at all and my libido has been low lately. Do you guys think i should stay away from these?

    I'm newly single and definitely want to up the libido and day to day confidence along with the gains.

    I have been saving a can of m-stak that always gives me what I need but I want to run something similar and stronger before m-stak..... Or vise versa. Take m-stak now and prepare for a good solid cycle after??

    I'm lost in this stuff, all I know how to do is pick things up and put them down.... Barbells and Forks lmao
    Ok , google 5x5 or 5/3/1 , get on the program , your supplements will be:

    -Steakadrol
    -Carbohydrol
    -Methyl-Fats-o-drol

    Nothing else, perhaps Creatine...learn to train and diet properly...trying to get swole without knowing Basic BARBELL COMPOUND movements is not gonna work. I was in the same place you were 1 year ago...and I wish I had had someone to tell me this...if you need help with the proper diet and good routine let me know...

    As for DAA/EP , it won't cause supression , it won't cause estrogen rebound, won't cause gyno , and it doesn't necessarily increase libido (though it did do it for me with regular Erase)...These are all natural supplements no need to worry about suppression , and without the basic knowledge of supplements, diet or workouts you have no use buying anything until you learn to diet efficiently and train...
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    Quote Originally Posted by y0lked
    Just read some other threads about DAA and Erasepro about estrogen suppression. I have no gyno at all and my libido has been low lately. Do you guys think i should stay away from these?

    I'm newly single and definitely want to up the libido and day to day confidence along with the gains.

    I have been saving a can of m-stak that always gives me what I need but I want to run something similar and stronger before m-stak..... Or vise versa. Take m-stak now and prepare for a good solid cycle after??

    I'm lost in this stuff, all I know how to do is pick things up and put them down.... Barbells and Forks lmao
    Libido is multifaceted, and not linked to specific individual hormones (although we do know that shifts in certain hormones can cause changes in libido). For example, if estrogen is too low, your libido may be low.

    I see no reason not to give DAA a fair shake as it does increase libido for many.
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    M-stak is my all time favorite supplement to use for bulking that Ive tried. I actually stacked M-stak and DAA at one point with nice results. Thats a very cheap run, especially if you already have the M-stak. Throw Erase on there (havent tried) and youd have yourself one heck of a time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by y0lked
    SO my diet and training is spot on and im bulking to about 190 from 170 and i would like to run something to fit these goals (below), however i dont know anything about supplements. Please note i will not be taking anything hormonal, or anything that has any side affects.

    1) increase appetite and libido
    2) daily pump
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    currently taking white flood for pre-workouts. Any help to a guy that knows how to train and diet, but never ventured into any supplements would be great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TyMan14 View Post
    M-stak is my all time favorite supplement to use for bulking that Ive tried. I actually stacked M-stak and DAA at one point with nice results. Thats a very cheap run, especially if you already have the M-stak. Throw Erase on there (havent tried) and youd have yourself one heck of a time!
    ...M-stak good?...Cheap?...unsub before I explode lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Ok , google 5x5 or 5/3/1 , get on the program , your supplements will be:

    -Steakadrol
    -Carbohydrol
    -Methyl-Fats-o-drol

    Nothing else, perhaps Creatine...learn to train and diet properly...trying to get swole without knowing Basic BARBELL COMPOUND movements is not gonna work. I was in the same place you were 1 year ago...and I wish I had had someone to tell me this...if you need help with the proper diet and good routine let me know...

    As for DAA/EP , it won't cause supression , it won't cause estrogen rebound, won't cause gyno , and it doesn't necessarily increase libido (though it did do it for me with regular Erase)...These are all natural supplements no need to worry about suppression , and without the basic knowledge of supplements, diet or workouts you have no use buying anything until you learn to diet efficiently and train...
    where did all this nonsense come from? i know exactly how to train and diet my friend, that is not the issue. Ive put on 20lbs lean in 5 months on a full body routine by lifting heavy and eating right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by y0lked

    where did all this nonsense come from? i know exactly how to train and diet my friend, that is not the issue. Ive put on 20lbs lean in 5 months on a full body routine by lifting heavy and eating right.

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    Carbadrol- check rice and pasta for post meal pct
    Methyl-Fats-o-drol- check whole eggs, milk cheese, steak and pastrami on a weekly basis
    I think he read your post about not knowing anything about supplements to mean you didn't know anything about this lifestyle and are a beginner in relation to lifting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by y0lked View Post
    I have been saving a can of Gwen Stacey that always gives me what I need but I want to run something similar and stronger before m-stak..... Or vise versa. Take m-stak now and prepare for a good solid cycle after??

    I'm lost in this stuff, all I know how to do is pick things up and put them down.... Barbells and Forks lmao

    Sorry I think I might have read Dumbbells and also M-stack and that last quote kinda sounded like you were new and looking into supps. That and the question about Gyno and EP/DAA , my bad...I usually just want people to learn the basics first and then peek slowly into supps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    X-Factor, Intimidate, GMS, and Na-Rala will bulk you up nicely and keep the white flood

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    hmmmmmm, would be roughly the same price. ive heard good things about x-factor from the blueprint protocol which i used when i was at my best (gonna run a trial of blueprint after i cannot progress any further and hit a plateau, if any ).

    may save this for blueprint as pretty much everyone has recommended the DAA and AnaBeta Elite + Erase Pro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    ...M-stak good?...Cheap?...unsub before I explode lol
    I liked it. Ive used multiple cans. My cousin is just finishing up a 42 day run of it and has loved it as well. There are lots of people that like it. And when you can get it for like 26 bucks a can its not a bad deal at all. And the way I read that post lead me to believe he already had a can of it there. Which is what it looks like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Sorry I think I might have read Dumbbells and also M-stack and that last quote kinda sounded like you were new and looking into supps. That and the question about Gyno and EP/DAA , my bad...I usually just want people to learn the basics first and then peek slowly into supps.
    haha its all good man. its taken me along time to get my diet down but now i have it 100% and am "hitting perfect days, that turn into perfect weeks, and perfect months"- kai

    Ive always done, and preached the basics when it comes to nutrition and workout science, therefore ive got it down! Ive never even looked into test boosters or anything like that. M-stak is the only thing ive taken (with amazing results) in the 2 years.

    Just need something to capitalize on my first "real" bulk, no more gomad and squats haha

    @tyman- yea i do have it, im planning on using it after this bulk phase as the dietetics lean you out like no other!
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    Quote Originally Posted by y0lked View Post
    haha its all good man. its taken me along time to get my diet down but now i have it 100% and am "hitting perfect days, that turn into perfect weeks, and perfect months"- kai

    Ive always done, and preached the basics when it comes to nutrition and workout science, therefore ive got it down! Ive never even looked into test boosters or anything like that. M-stak is the only thing ive taken (with amazing results) in the 2 years.

    Just need something to capitalize on my first "real" bulk, no more gomad and squats haha

    @tyman- yea i do have it, im planning on using it after this bulk phase as the dietetics lean you out like no other!
    I can assure you it was your diet and proper training that got you the gains...well I could assure you, I am just not fond of the ingredients in M-stack, see nothing good in it...and well it is just my opinion at the end of the day to not buy any Animal stuff...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    I can assure you it was your diet and proper training that got you the gains...well I could assure you, I am just not fond of the ingredients in M-stack, see nothing good in it...and well it is just my opinion at the end of the day to not buy any Animal stuff...
    Oh without a doubt. Supplements are just that... To supplement diet and training. I personally just love the red pill and the day to day pump. It's mainly for the brain but I also experience strength gains.

    Back to topic.... Everything look good?
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    Protocol v2 + DAA would hit your objectives pretty well. If you really wanted you could add something to control estrogen for a more dry look.

    Amount Per Serving% Daily Value
    L-Leucine3.25 g**
    L-Carnitine L-Tartarate1 g**
    Creatinol-O Phospate1 g**
    Agmatine Sulfate250 mg**


    * Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet.
    ** Percent Daily Values not established.

    OTHER INGREDIENTS: Gelatine, Magnesium Stearate, Silicon Dioxide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    Funny how if you check my posts, from even before I was a rep I would recommend, I didnt add Anabeta or Erase links since he already knew what they were...rather added for what he did not comprehend. I love PES lol I'm running a sponsored stack by them too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MM11
    Protocol v2 + DAA would hit your objectives pretty well. If you really wanted you could add something to control estrogen for a more dry look.

    Amount Per Serving% Daily Value
    L-Leucine3.25 g**
    L-Carnitine L-Tartarate1 g**
    Creatinol-O Phospate1 g**
    Agmatine Sulfate250 mg**

    * Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet.
    ** Percent Daily Values not established.

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    I have PV1 BUT HAVe COP in pills ..ill just add 1-1.5 grams to pv1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    I have PV1 BUT HAVe COP in pills ..ill just add 1-1.5 grams to pv1
    Add 2g
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    I have PV1 BUT HAVe COP in pills ..ill just add 1-1.5 grams to pv1
    2g COP is the sweet spot in my opinion.

    EDIT: Dam, didn't read far enough down. Cy already covered it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antihero

    2g COP is the sweet spot in my opinion.

    EDIT: Dam, didn't read far enough down. Cy already covered it.
    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    Add 2g
    Cool,thnx guys.

    How much of a diff can i see from that 1 gram difference, even if i suggested 1.5 ?

    @2 what exactly are you feeling and what are u stacking it with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randoja
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