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    PreWorkout: HEMAVOL -or- Jack3D Micro??


    I know this subject has been beatin to DEATH......And I know there's ALWAYS gonna be something NEW and OVER HYPED.....But I was just lookin for feedback and/or opinions from some of you guys.

    Which would you prefer for PreWorkout?....I'm not really a Stim-Junky, so I'm not really lookin for energy specifically....I guess I'm looking for a NitricOxide/Pump/BloodFlow booster.
    -So, which would you recommend and why??

    HEMAVOL or the new Jack3D Micro??

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    Hemavol,not over hyped.

    Add 1-2 gms LCLT.

    Even more intense,add 200 mgs of Caffeine,if u get in a stim mood
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Hemavol,not over hyped.

    Even more intense,add 200 mgs of Caffeine
    I agree with you that Jack3d Micro is overhyped, and specially for the crowd here...yet I actually like the profile a tad bit more than Hemavol, specially for the addition of Nitrates and Higenamine (or Norcoclaurine how they call it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    I agree with you that Jack3d Micro is overhyped, and specially for the crowd here...yet I actually like the profile a tad bit more than Hemavol, specially for the addition of Nitrates and Higenamine (or Norcoclaurine how they call it).
    How are the doses per scoop? If your looking for the proper dosing,which is better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    How are the doses per scoop? If your looking for the proper dosing,which is better?
    I would say 2 scoops of Jack3d Micro would make for 20 good workouts. 1 scoop might not be enough for the Average Stim-Tolerant Joe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    I would say 2 scoops of Jack3d Micro would make for 20 good workouts. 1 scoop might not be enough for the Average Stim-Tolerant Joe.
    Yet u can get away with one of Hemavol. So me ill stick with Hemavol..for now.

    I will sometime down the line give Jack3d a solid run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Yet u can get away with one of Hemavol. So me ill stick with Hemavol..for now.

    I will sometime down the line give Jack3d a solid run.
    lol I never knew 500mg of Agmatine Sulfate and 2.5g of Cit Mal were enough. I love hemavol , but I need 2 scoops to get benefits out of it Jason.

    Good dosages for Agmatine Pre-workout are 1g, and Citrulline Malate has to be at least 5g...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    lol I never knew 500mg of Agmatine Sulfate and 2.5g of Cit Mal were enough. I love hemavol , but I need 2 scoops to get benefits out of it Jason.

    Good dosages for Agmatine Pre-workout are 1g, and Citrulline Malate has to be at least 5g...
    Dude,was just going to by your pm the other day remember..told me Halemavol was dosed properly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Dude,was just going to by your pm the other day remember..told me Halemavol was dosed properly
    At 2 scoops not just one haha guess I missed that point.
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    if pump is your main focus, cant beat hemavol. been at the top of that category since it came out in 2009
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    I love arginine nitrate so Jack3d Micro for me in terms of ingredients.

    Mine is on the way. I can report back on the dose needed.
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    They both share some similar ingredients the biggest difference is the Stims in Micro.

    As far as pump products stand Hemavol is tough to beat.
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    The Hemavol/Maximize combo is legit. Maximize if you like stims - geranimum and synephrine. Hemoval for the pumps. GMS is a fun substance to mess around with...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas View Post
    The Hemavol/Maximize combo is legit. Maximize if you like stims - geranimum and synephrine. Hemoval for the pumps. GMS is a fun substance to mess around with...
    DMAA does not come from Geranium , it has been proven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Hemavol,not over hyped.

    Add 1-2 gms LCLT.

    Even more intense,add 200 mgs of Caffeine,if u get in a stim mood

    Agreed right there! Compete intra adds the LCLT to get the best of both words. If you don't like heavy stims, hemavol is awesome because it gives you the option of doing what you like on your own.

    My friend at the gym loves hemavol and only likes a little stim and is addicted to the flavor and carbonated texture of soda/red bull, so he takes his hemavol mixed with red bull.


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    If you need stims go micro, if not then hemavol, both are great products. I'm slightly partial to micro.
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    if pumps and endurance are your main focus, and you're not a stim-junkie, then definitely hemavol
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    You can take the stims out of Hemavol.. just saiyan
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    Of the two i would go with Hemavol

    I would also throw out that our prework out - Volatile is an option to look at as well (stim amount of say a cup of coffee). We have a few logs up and running right now, and are looking for some more loggers

    Personaly at some point soon I am going to stack Hemavol and Volatile and see what happens FWIW.
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    Jack3d Micro has a pixie dust of stims , not really your heavily stimmed pre-workout but effective. Not to mention even at 2 scoops the non-stim tolerant individual has also mentioned not to feel cracked out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox View Post
    Of the two i would go with Hemavol

    I would also throw out that our prework out - Volatile is an option to look at as well (stim amount of say a cup of coffee). We have a few logs up and running right now, and are looking for some more loggers

    Personaly at some point soon I am going to stack Hemavol and Volatile and see what happens FWIW.

    Your last idea has been bouncing around my head as well - I think I know what my weekend workout will consist of now.....

    I'll vouch for Volatile being low-stim (relatively) - i've been logging it - see my sig... (along with a run of what NP's calling the tango stack - hyperT2 & revamp). It gets me moving & hammering out my early AM workouts & provides a great pump - coming off a stim run myself, I know there's a lot more than caffeine at work here...
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    Hemavol

    If you want some light stims add some caffein, or a preworkout like Scivation - Novem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench

    Agreed right there! Compete intra adds the LCLT to get the best of both words. If you don't like heavy stims, hemavol is awesome because it gives you the option of doing what you like on your own.

    My friend at the gym loves hemavol and only likes a little stim and is addicted to the flavor and carbonated texture of soda/red bull, so he takes his hemavol mixed with red bull.

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    I actually just looked at Compete the other day and really liked the ingredients...Something im looking to pick up sooner than later. But i remeber u telling me i was going to love Hemavol.As a iforce rep,i took that with a grain of salt,lol,u cant blame me.But,u were damn right.Hemavol is a great product and like u said,being u can stack it with many things be it just lclt or caffeine or compete or focus xt stim free or focus xt with stims,lol..its ****ing endless options bro,lol
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    micro wins for lactic acid buffering...set after set to failure, muscles kept coming back for more. hemavol probably wins on pump alone, but micro gave better/longer/more intense workouts.....this to me is bigger than a pump effect!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt
    micro wins for lactic acid buffering...set after set to failure, muscles kept coming back for more. hemavol probably wins on pump alone, but micro gave better/longer/more intense workouts.....this to me is bigger than a pump effect!!!
    How many scoops of micro? Im sure if u added some caffeine to the Hemavol it would be just as successful,imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    micro wins for lactic acid buffering...set after set to failure, muscles kept coming back for more. hemavol probably wins on pump alone, but micro gave better/longer/more intense workouts.....this to me is bigger than a pump effect!!!
    Hemavol is actually more of an endurance product than a pump product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    How many scoops of micro? Im sure if u added some caffeine to the Hemavol it would be just as successful,imo.
    if you are sure....then what can i say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    Hemavol is actually more of an endurance product than a pump product.

    hemavol is a good product
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt

    if you are sure....then what can i say.
    Im confident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    I actually just looked at Compete the other day and really liked the ingredients...Something im looking to pick up sooner than later. But i remeber u telling me i was going to love Hemavol.As a iforce rep,i took that with a grain of salt,lol,u cant blame me.But,u were damn right.Hemavol is a great product and like u said,being u can stack it with many things be it just lclt or caffeine or compete or focus xt stim free or focus xt with stims,lol..its ****ing endless options bro,lol
    Hahah glad you are enjoying it. Although some reps may be bias, I may not openly state I dislike a product I rep for, but if i really dislike a product that my affiliated company produces, I just don't suggest it. If I suggest it, it is because I have confidence in it.

    As a consumer, you just have to understand that as reps, we obviously are using these products lol, so we do know how they work. We have that flexibility to trial and error them which most consumers do not want to do in fear of loosing days. I for one, have discovered a trick with salt, that really enhances hemavol for me. I have two threads about it, search criticalbench hemavol trick to see .

    Compete is def a solid one to try, I truly don't see myself training without it unless with come out with something better. I add an extra 8g BCAA and 25g Waxy Maize Starch .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    How many scoops of micro? Im sure if u added some caffeine to the Hemavol it would be just as successful,imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench

    Hahah glad you are enjoying it. Although some reps may be bias, I may not openly state I dislike a product I rep for, but if i really dislike a product that my affiliated company produces, I just don't suggest it. If I suggest it, it is because I have confidence in it.

    As a consumer, you just have to understand that as reps, we obviously are using these products lol, so we do know how they work. We have that flexibility to trial and error them which most consumers do not want to do in fear of loosing days. I for one, have discovered a trick with salt, that really enhances hemavol for me. I have two threads about it, search criticalbench hemavol trick to see .

    Compete is def a solid one to try, I truly don't see myself training without it unless with come out with something better. I add an extra 8g BCAA and 25g Waxy Maize Starch .

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    Dude,u r right.I seem to forget u guys use this stuff!! Reps here are a bit diff then reps on other boards,in a way better way.Which is why i like it here.

    As for the salt trick,yes,i will be looking for it.Tommorow whwn i get home from work.

    So.your using your compete post workout? Just cause i see bcaas amd waxy maize,am i wrong... Cause i was assuming it could be used either or. Pre or post
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    Quote Originally Posted by USPowders

    20 workouts
    Pretty sure i asked scoops,but yeah 2 scoops it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    How many scoops of micro? Im sure if u added some caffeine to the Hemavol it would be just as successful,imo.
    Jay you cannot compare this 2 products per say, different markets and intents. Hemavol is a perfectly stackable stim-free , pump, pre-workout! While Jack3d Micro has a different appeal, yes it is true it is geared for a pump too, yet it is mainly made to compliment test-powder perfectly...and it is stimmed in a nice manner too. Both are effective, just different scenarios...adding Caff Tabs to Hemavol is a good idea, yet there are key ingredients in Micro that make it..."not just another stimmed pump"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    Jay you cannot compare this 2 products per say, different markets and intents. Hemavol is a perfectly stackable stim-free , pump, pre-workout! While Jack3d Micro has a different appeal, yes it is true it is geared for a pump too, yet it is mainly made to compliment test-powder perfectly...and it is stimmed in a nice manner too. Both are effective, just different scenarios...adding Caff Tabs to Hemavol is a good idea, yet there are key ingredients in Micro that make it..."not just another stimmed pump"
    Ok i gotcha..But micro is still a pre workout??? Correct?? So if Hemavol had caffeiene would u then put it in the same category as micro..i have to take a look at both labels,i have but wanna actually look better.Which ill do tommorow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Ok i gotcha..But micro is still a pre workout??? Correct?? So if Hemavol had caffeiene would u then put it in the same category as micro..i have to take a look at both labels,i have but wanna actually look better.Which ill do tommorow
    Yeah Jack3d is a Stimmed pre, and nope putting Caffeine tabs to Hemavol does not make it a Nitrate or a Multi-stim product.

    Like I said , I love hemavol, just for a different purpose, it is a staple of mine on stim breaks haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Dude,u r right.I seem to forget u guys use this stuff!! Reps here are a bit diff then reps on other boards,in a way better way.Which is why i like it here.

    As for the salt trick,yes,i will be looking for it.Tommorow whwn i get home from work.

    So.your using your compete post workout? Just cause i see bcaas amd waxy maize,am i wrong... Cause i was assuming it could be used either or. Pre or post

    If I said post, I meant pre. I use it pre, and intra. I may also start throwing in a scoop immediately upon waking this offseason, but have not made up my mind yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Yeah Jack3d is a Stimmed pre, and nope putting Caffeine tabs to Hemavol does not make it a Nitrate or a Multi-stim product.

    Like I said , I love hemavol, just for a different purpose, it is a staple of mine on stim breaks haha.
    have you tried jack3d micro? the muscle endurance is it's main claim to fame, imo. i like hemavol, but jacked micro really outshines it in this department. set after set of doing reps to failure, muscles keep coming back for more!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench

    If I said post, I meant pre. I use it pre, and intra. I may also start throwing in a scoop immediately upon waking this offseason, but have not made up my mind yet!

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    No u didnt ,but i saw u said with glyco maize and bcaas,so figured u were taking it wirh a post workout shake before your main poat wo meal,being it seems compete can be used pre or post,although id specifically use it pre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    have you tried jack3d micro? the muscle endurance is it's main claim to fame, imo. i like hemavol, but jacked micro really outshines it in this department. set after set of doing reps to failure, muscles keep coming back for more!!!
    Nope haven't tried it, and I don't see much endurance gain from it lol lacks COP and a bit more Citrulline , but with its nitrates and some citrulline it has I assume it could be good for endurance I guess. I do not practice Failure lately though, not for Powerlifting training much hehe, on the mass building side of things...well thats another story !
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