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    Evening pre-workout that won't screw with my sleep 2-3 hours l8r?


    With work and family life, I can't workout until later in the evening. That also means I must go to be 2-3 hours after I start.

    I think I've been consuming way too much caffeine, I'm waking up dead tired despite having 7-8 hours sleep. I've been falling into the cycle of needing it to get through the day, and for any chance of getting a workout in. But I'm drinking 700mg+ a day, and a lot past 3PM, so it's probably messing with my sleep. I'm going to try to cut that back to 200-300 mg.

    Right now I'm taking Anadraulic State GT, but my tolerance to caffeine must be high, because if I only take 1 or 2 scoops of that I feel like I can go to bed afterward. I weigh 170.

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    I used to use BodyForge by Neogenix when I worked out late at night.
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    Caff free focus xt from sms.
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    Take a stim break.
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    I will reccomend HEMAVOL, being its stim free and the pump i get off of it is awesome..

    Focus XT Stim Free seems to get good reviews

    .They are different..One is nootropics and the other is for pumps,so find which will fit u best.
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    A non-stim is a good choice..

    If you are needing a burst of energy then I suggest...

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    I would reccomend Hemavol and maybe Caffiene Free Focus XT. Whatever the case it seems you need to cycle off stims for a bit. Drinkin these before you lift, although not stimmed, could likely give the same psychological effect letting your body know its time to perk up and that some clanging and banging is soon to follow
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    Stimulant-free Focus XT. Plus, it may enhance GH release and give you vivid dreams if you take it near bed
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    Hemavol IMO.. hands down one of the best non-stim pre-workouts available with tons of great solid reviews. Vasodilates plus increases plasma volumes, can't get much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Hemavol IMO.. hands down one of the best non-stim pre-workouts available with tons of great solid reviews. Vasodilates plus increases plasma volumes, can't get much better.

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    Already some good suggestions going on in here, so I'll just toss out a couple I like as well.

    Protocol, Ultima, Hemavol and Clout are all great and what I typically use at different times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Already some good suggestions going on in here, so I'll just toss out a couple I like as well.

    Protocol, Ultima, Hemavol and Clout are all great and what I typically use at different times.
    Clout is another I forgot. Awesome stuff I need to run it again it has been awhile
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    well since youre gonna have to avoid stims, its gonna be almost pointless to even take one. if you want a pump still, just buy bulk agmatine and eat some carbs with it an hour before working out. no need to spend money on these stim free preworkouts since a pump is all youre really looking for
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper View Post
    well since youre gonna have to avoid stims, its gonna be almost pointless to even take one. if you want a pump still, just buy bulk agmatine and eat some carbs with it an hour before working out. no need to spend money on these stim free preworkouts since a pump is all youre really looking for
    Many of the stim free products now provide actual performance benefits beyond just a pump. Definitely not pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10

    Many of the stim free products now provide actual performance benefits beyond just a pump. Definitely not pointless.
    are you refering to the combination of citruline malate, agmatine, creatine, beta alanine, and bcaas that all stim frees have in common? 2 of which are for pumps, 2 of which are useless unless saturated, and one is useless unless training fasted, which he wouldnt be doing at night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Already some good suggestions going on in here, so I'll just toss out a couple I like as well.

    Protocol, Ultima, Hemavol and Clout are all great and what I typically use at different times.
    This.
    Also too much vaso without stims = tired and huge decrease in performance.


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    With work and family life, I can't workout until later in the evening. That also means I must go to be 2-3 hours after I start.

    I think I've been consuming way too much caffeine, I'm waking up dead tired despite having 7-8 hours sleep. I've been falling into the cycle of needing it to get through the day, and for any chance of getting a workout in. But I'm drinking 700mg+ a day, and a lot past 3PM, so it's probably messing with my sleep. I'm going to try to cut that back to 200-300 mg.

    Right now I'm taking Anadraulic State GT, but my tolerance to caffeine must be high, because if I only take 1 or 2 scoops of that I feel like I can go to bed afterward. I weigh 170.
    +700mg of caffeine ED ? A bit too much heh ?
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    op when ou sleep, is it hot or cold in your room? you might want to question the quality if sleep youre getting since you wake up tired. sleeping cold is better than hot btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper View Post
    are you refering to the combination of citruline malate, agmatine, creatine, beta alanine, and bcaas that all stim frees have in common? 2 of which are for pumps, 2 of which are useless unless saturated, and one is useless unless training fasted, which he wouldnt be doing at night.
    lolI need explanations on how "BCAA are useless unless training fasted".Because a guy said so on his own website ?You think having elevated creatine content in the muscle but below "saturation" is useless ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper View Post
    are you refering to the combination of citruline malate, agmatine, creatine, beta alanine, and bcaas that all stim frees have in common? 2 of which are for pumps, 2 of which are useless unless saturated, and one is useless unless training fasted, which he wouldnt be doing at night.
    Citrulline Malate and Agmatine provide benefits beyond "pumps". I also didn't mention any BCAA product. Maybe these products aren't for you but there are plenty of other ingredients in the products I mentioned and others mentioned that do more than just provide pumps.
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    Volatile by Fahrenheit nutrition would be an option as well. Stim content is only like a cup of coffee so it shouldn't mess with your sleep at all.

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    I would def get a non-stim preworkout product.

    Some options are White BLOOD (v1 or v2), Ragnarok stim free, etc.
    Or you could make your own from bulk ingredients
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    AX Ultra Reps
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    As many people have mentioned, Hemavol! And it tastes almost too good to be true!
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    Definitely pick up some Caffeine-Free Focus XT. The fruit punch flavoring is delicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antihero View Post
    Definitely pick up some Caffeine-Free Focus XT. The fruit punch flavoring is delicious.
    Next on my list to try, but prolly not the stim free version
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Caff free focus xt from sms.
    who's sms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    I will reccomend HEMAVOL, being its stim free and the pump i get off of it is awesome..

    Focus XT Stim Free seems to get good reviews

    .They are different..One is nootropics and the other is for pumps,so find which will fit u best.
    yep, both great products.

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    OP, give caffeine free Focus XT, Hemavol, or caffeine free Ragnorok a try. I have tried all of them and like them in their own way. I thought White Blood was terrible though.
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    Thanks for all the replies guys. Sorry for the apparent hit and run, work got real busy and free time on the web almost non existent.

    Looks like I need to try Focus XT for sure, and Hemavol or caffeine free Ragnorok too. Checked out the product descriptions and they all look good. So far I have cut back to 200-300 mg for 4 or 5 days now, with very little after 2 PM (cup of green tea). Not doing too badly, and my sleep does seem to be improved. Off to NP soon!
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    Sign up for a free sample of Ultra Reps and give that a try. I can go to sleep right after working out if I need to.

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    OP I was averaging about 600mg a day for quite sometime. I cut down to 300mg and have noticed better sleep patterns.
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    jack3d micro, take it around 8 or 9 and i still sleep fine
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    Caffeine free focus xt and some agmatine will do the job nicely
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    Volatile by Fahrenheit Nutrition. I workout between 6 and 7 pm. I got away from using PWO except on the weekends because they would keep me up until the wee hours until I discovered Volatile. It tastes great, gives energy and focus with 2 types of creatine. Best of all I'm able to get a normal night of sleep which is usually falling asleep around 11.

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    Clout is great
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    Great info guys. Ordering some Focus XT caffeine free and Hemavol along with some other stuff very soon.

    I'm glad I finally tried cutting back on the caffeine. I thought I was practically immune to it, the idea that it would be messing up my sleep didn't compute. I think in the past few weeks I have had more dreams than I have had in the past 5 years. That's gotta mean something!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AthleticXtreme View Post
    Sign up for a free sample of Ultra Reps and give that a try. I can go to sleep right after working out if I need to.

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    Even though it's not a preworkout I've used Test Powder prior to training later in the day and really liked it.
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    Another option might be White Flood. I've been using it around 5-6pm and going to sleep around 10 with no issues. It has some stim, but not much.
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