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    iforce intimidate and melatonin


    Just wondering if its ok to take both. Thanks for any replies

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    Yep, I do! With valarian root in contest preps when i cant sleep!
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Yep, I do! With valarian root in contest preps when i cant sleep!
    L-Typtophan bro......
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    L-Typtophan bro......
    *****.. i go to sleep with ambien and wake up with modafinil




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    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    L-Typtophan bro......
    wouldnt it be cool if we had a product with that in it?





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    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    L-Typtophan bro......
    Why would you ever use tryptophan when you can readily buy 5htp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Why would you ever use tryptophan when you can readily buy 5htp?
    Tryptophan works better for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    Tryptophan works better for me.
    Tryptophan has the same MOA as 5HTP, only that it is one step back in the synthesis of serotonin. This may not seem like an issue, but unlike 5-HTP, trytophan is a common AA with a whole host of destinations which may exclude it from serotonin synthesis. Conversely, 5HTP actually skips the rate-limiting step of serotonin synthesis and directly elevates brain levels (demonstrated via human trials). So in short, since they are both accomplishing the same thing but one is doing it way more effectively, I'm not sure how tryptophan "works better" for you.
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    Do you like intimidate? I got much better results with straight up DAA...notice iforce claims 100 times the potency...well think about it..the dose for intimidate(NMDA) is 30 mg..the dose for DAA is 3000 mg...100 times 30 is 3000.. its a marketing ploy..one that really pissed me off
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    Do you like intimidate? I got much better results with straight up DAA...notice iforce claims 100 times the potency...well think about it..the dose for intimidate(NMDA) is 30 mg..the dose for DAA is 3000 mg...100 times 30 is 3000.. its a marketing ploy..one that really pissed me off
    Potency does refer to the amount of compound needed to exert an effect. Is it 100x stronger than DAA at that dose? Nope. But is it 100x more potent at agonizing the NMDA receptor in vitro? Yup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Tryptophan has the same MOA as 5HTP, only that it is one step back in the synthesis of serotonin. This may not seem like an issue, but unlike 5-HTP, trytophan is a common AA with a whole host of destinations which may exclude it from serotonin synthesis. Conversely, 5HTP actually skips the rate-limiting step of serotonin synthesis and directly elevates brain levels (demonstrated via human trials). So in short, since they are both accomplishing the same thing but one is doing it way more effectively, I'm not sure how tryptophan "works better" for you.
    Puzo.. Coop just skooled you ass.. I loled hard!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Puzo.. Coop just skooled you ass.. I loled hard!!!!


    tis not the first time that has happened
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldwanus

    tis not the first time that has happened
    Always fun to watch though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antihero View Post
    Always fun to watch though.
    and now hes real quiet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    and now hes real quiet!
    typical Karen behavior.
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    never had an issue taking the 2 together
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    Quote Originally Posted by drob14
    Just wondering if its ok to take both. Thanks for any replies
    I took them both nightly for a month and experienced the best sleep of my life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Tryptophan has the same MOA as 5HTP, only that it is one step back in the synthesis of serotonin. This may not seem like an issue, but unlike 5-HTP, trytophan is a common AA with a whole host of destinations which may exclude it from serotonin synthesis. Conversely, 5HTP actually skips the rate-limiting step of serotonin synthesis and directly elevates brain levels (demonstrated via human trials). So in short, since they are both accomplishing the same thing but one is doing it way more effectively, I'm not sure how tryptophan "works better" for you.
    Maybe my 5-HTP was bunk, but I noticed when taking 2g+ of Typtophan it just gave me better sleep. I'm just saiyan 5-HTP solo hasn't done anything for me that I have been able to notice. Phenibut and Tryptophan(solo) were the only 2 things that would not cause me to wake up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Tryptophan has the same MOA as 5HTP, only that it is one step back in the synthesis of serotonin. This may not seem like an issue, but unlike 5-HTP, trytophan is a common AA with a whole host of destinations which may exclude it from serotonin synthesis. Conversely, 5HTP actually skips the rate-limiting step of serotonin synthesis and directly elevates brain levels (demonstrated via human trials). So in short, since they are both accomplishing the same thing but one is doing it way more effectively, I'm not sure how tryptophan "works better" for you.
    What level dosing would you suggest for 5-htp Coop?
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    Isn't oral melatonin pretty much inert?
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    Intimidate is my favorite supp hands down. I train at night, so sleep is always an issue. I take a sleep aid and melatonin as soon as I walk out of the gym. Ran it for 90 days, have been off for three weeks now, and sleep is a bitch. I have another week before I start back on Intimidate, and I can't wait. I honestly cannot express how much better it makes getting an awesome nights sleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by latebloomer View Post
    Intimidate is my favorite supp hands down. I train at night, so sleep is always an issue. I take a sleep aid and melatonin as soon as I walk out of the gym. Ran it for 90 days, have been off for three weeks now, and sleep is a bitch. I have another week before I start back on Intimidate, and I can't wait. I honestly cannot express how much better it makes getting an awesome nights sleep.
    if your budget allows for it, intimidate + lights out will make one hell of a sleep combo
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    Quote Originally Posted by latebloomer View Post
    Intimidate is my favorite supp hands down. I train at night, so sleep is always an issue. I take a sleep aid and melatonin as soon as I walk out of the gym. Ran it for 90 days, have been off for three weeks now, and sleep is a bitch. I have another week before I start back on Intimidate, and I can't wait. I honestly cannot express how much better it makes getting an awesome nights sleep.
    glad you enjoyed it so much bro

    I definitely notice a difference in my sleep and recovery when I'm not on Intimidate, can't wait to start it up again
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldwanus View Post
    if your budget allows for it, intimidate + lights out will make one hell of a sleep combo
    Can't wait to try that out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldwanus View Post
    if your budget allows for it, intimidate + lights out will make one hell of a sleep combo
    Very, very excited for that pair. That is going to make an extremely nice bulking stack!

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