Hawthorn berry or Hawthorn berry extract for lowering BP?

[Mass Monkey]

Hello:

OK I feel sort of stupid posting this after all the research I have done but here it goes lol.

So my BP is sitting at 133/86 and I'm in week 3 of a cycle of H-Drol. . . from my research I know you can add HB to lower your BP. . I am taking all the normal supports like Cycle Assist and all that but I have Now HB on hand and I wanted to know if this will do or do I need HB extract? . . I'm not overly worried about my BP at that level but wanted to make sure it stays there if nothing else as before it was normal. . .

Can I just up the dose of HB as I know the extract is more potent?

Now before we get off topic and someone suggest celery seed YUP I know about that lol but like I said I have HB on hand so figured I'd try that first BUT now I find there is the berry and the extract and I can't believe I missed that part during my initial research on this issue.

So if the HB is a waste of time let me know and I'll either pick up the extract or CS . . and if I do get the celery seed is that an extract as well and what is a good product if I'm allowed to ask that question.

TY and any and all who read or respond

BTW how long before I see a drop in my BP with either of the above . . I know CS works faster just thinking out loud

[WARBIRDWS6]

I would buy the extract in the future, but with those (fairly normal) type BP #'s, the hawthorn berry caps at the higher dosage should probably work OK. If you have them, might as well try them and see what happens. I usually see pretty instant results with the hawthorn extract....but def after a few days or so you should see something.

[scoooter]

"BTW how long before I see a drop in my BP with either of the above . . I know CS works faster just thinking out loud"

Everyones response is typically a little different. I'm curious how you "know" CS works faster ? is that something you've been able to show to yourself by supplementing and measurements or just from all the common BP posts.


I've lived with 130/80's for years (due to a condition) and have used HBE mostly continuously and sporadically cycled in CS.

Only way you will know is to supplement and take BP readings. These are reportedly 2 most effective/common natural supp's for BP control, not sure about the lowering effects.

If your in a cycle then you've probably read about pre loading support supp's and the common thread that HB or HBE takes a while (not certain about exact timeframe but prob wk's to months) to get into the system. The extract would have more of the active so it allows you to take less than a non-extract.

[Mass Monkey]

Ah very well said and TY.

Now as for celery seed working fast u r totally right I don't know but others in the KNOW yelled at me lol!!! Saying to get CS but I already had the HB.

So that being said I'll up my dose a bit then check it again say on the weekend.

But in the future I'll use the extract.

Now as for the pre loaf and all that. All was completed perfect for 2 full weeks and BP was just under 110/80 before I started.

I'm just mad at myself and I'm a very particular about this stuff and can't believe I missed the extract part.

Thanks again for all the help and this has been a great cycle thus far other than a slight increase in BP

[Mass Monkey]

Also since it doesn't effect absorption of anything is there an ADVANTAGE to taking it say in 4 does over 2 large ones?

[mr.cooper69]

Check out CEL Cycle Assist for a killer deal on hawthorn berry and much, much more

[Mass Monkey]

K will do TY got all I need for this cycle but will stock up for my Epi cycle in February.

[scoooter]

Measuring blood pressure is like trying to hit a moving target. To reduce the variations here are a few things to try. First establish your baseline.
1. take the measurement at the same time of day, morning will typically have the lowest reading after resting. Perform upon waking before any coffee or stimulants.
2. use the same equipment - a manual cuff is better. I used a digital meter and found out quickly these are not accurate, however, if used consistently these can show any type of increase or decrease from an established baseline even if it is false.
3. take only 1 measurement
4. take measurement every other day or several days. this will take time to establish your baseline over a long period of time (month). Continue for as long as you like and generate an avg.
5. consider other factors that can influence and/or skew results and document (stress, poor nights sleep, drinking, phase of the moon (JK) ect..)


Recording multiple measurements during the day will cause you false alarm because the reading would be all over the place as BP changes.
Learn the signs of high BP.

Again, I'm no expert and these are just my thoughts not gospel.

[Mass Monkey]

Very well said and TY

Question how much effect does a fiber supplement play on HB ? Meaning does it weaken it do to slowing down absorption in general as I like to add psyllium husk to some of my shakes.

And is there an advantage to taking HB throughout the day say in 4 does instead of 2

Any feelings?

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[Mass Monkey]

BTW I currently take my supports 5 hours after my PH

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[mr.cooper69]

Very well said and TY

Question how much effect does a fiber supplement play on HB ? Meaning does it weaken it do to slowing down absorption in general as I like to add psyllium husk to some of my shakes.

And is there an advantage to taking HB throughout the day say in 4 does instead of 2

Any feelings?

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Fiber may actually hinder absorption of certain constituents but it's definitely nothing to split hairs over.

[Mass Monkey]

Ok cool TY I shall be more relaxed on the throne later lol????

Just want to make sure the husk was not the cause of the slight increase

TY again

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[WARBIRDWS6]

I take my BP med first thing in the morning, then hawthorn in the late afternoon and hawthorn before bed (2-3 extract caps each time). I spread it out and I feel that helps, whether it does or not I am not totally sure.

[Mass Monkey]

Hmmm?

Well I'll get it checked on the weekend and if it's still around the same then I'll try spacing it out a bit. Maybe I'll take my cycle assist then a few hits later my HB all done in between my PH dosing.

I have read that H-Drol bumps up your BP so I was expecting this just want to keep it in check.

Thank you for your input

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[Mass Monkey]

Well I just got up and went and checked my BP . . still up 134/89 so I think I'll try taking HB with my PH then my cycle assist and all that 5 hours later and see if that helps . . . I always check my BP at Walmart on the weekend when I have been up and about for a bit so this Saturday will be the big test . . .

[David Dunn]

Measuring blood pressure is like trying to hit a moving target. To reduce the variations here are a few things to try. First establish your baseline.
1. take the measurement at the same time of day, morning will typically have the lowest reading after resting. Perform upon waking before any coffee or stimulants.
2. use the same equipment - a manual cuff is better. I used a digital meter and found out quickly these are not accurate, however, if used consistently these can show any type of increase or decrease from an established baseline even if it is false.
3. take only 1 measurement
4. take measurement every other day or several days. this will take time to establish your baseline over a long period of time (month). Continue for as long as you like and generate an avg.
5. consider other factors that can influence and/or skew results and document (stress, poor nights sleep, drinking, phase of the moon (JK) ect..)


Recording multiple measurements during the day will cause you false alarm because the reading would be all over the place as BP changes.
Learn the signs of high BP.

Again, I'm no expert and these are just my thoughts not gospel.

Disagree. Multiple readings at one sitting. I have watched mine change as much as 10pts simply relaxing after each consecutive measurement.

[mr.cooper69]

Disagree. Multiple readings at one sitting. I have watched mine change as much as 10pts simply relaxing after each consecutive measurement.

Your BP reading is expected to change if you take multiple consecutive readings using the cuff. This will yield inaccurate results.

[Mass Monkey]

Well either way I'm not happy as my normal was always about 120/80 . . so I just don't know what to think at this point . . but we shall see

[David Dunn]

Your BP reading is expected to change if you take multiple consecutive readings using the cuff. This will yield inaccurate results.

I'm not sure I understand you.

I sit for 5 mins and relax, apply the cuff, take a reading.
I remove the cuff, sit for two or three minutes more, take a reading, repeat.
How is that inaccurrate?

[mr.cooper69]

I'm not sure I understand you.

I sit for 5 mins and relax, apply the cuff, take a reading.
I remove the cuff, sit for two or three minutes more, take a reading, repeat.
How is that inaccurrate?

If you are waiting, then it's better. We were advised against taking repeated BP readings because each progressive reading is less accurate than the last.