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    can you recommend something that allows one to burn fat and gain muscle?
    if in doubt, gain muscle has precedence over losing fat.
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    No supplement is going to do that for you without a proper calculated diet.
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    Yeah, that's pretty hard to do, man. If you are looking to gain muscle, then you should look into our products of IGF-2 and Drive. Both of them have some great reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masonmarin18 View Post
    No supplement is going to do that for you without a proper calculated diet.
    proper=high on protein and low on carbs/fat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem

    proper=high on protein and low on carbs/fat?
    Probably more like high protein and highish fat with carbs low and cycled. Lower carbs most days... But increase them several times per week and maybe even a very high carb day each week, eating around maintenance calories but zig zagging up and down
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    I am talking about +20% cal of your maintenance calories on workout days -20% on your rest days. If you lift 3x a week that is. You need to carb cycle and take low carb on off days. But you need to be able to count calories, macros, plug them in and use precise numbers until you see what fits. You still need a caloric deficit each week but a small one, with enough cals / carbs to pust on some muscle mass on your training days without the fat.

    This is very tough to do, you need to know your body inside and out.
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    I already take high protein, but I tend to keep low on fat if I can, medium carbs. and yes, I train 3 days per week. except this week and the next one, as gym will be closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem View Post
    I already take high protein, but I tend to keep low on fat if I can, medium carbs. and yes, I train 3 days per week. except this week and the next one, as gym will be closed.
    Nothing wrong with carbs but definitely get your fat requirements.
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    Do you count calories / macros?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Nothing wrong with carbs but definitely get your fat requirements.
    fat requirements?
    I take 2g of fish oil at breakfast
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    lol
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    Fish oil supplementation is good....but they mean also take in a decent amount of fat in your daily diet as well. For the fish oil try to get something with 3g+ of EPA/DHA...hard to find fish oil caps dosed properly, but just read the label. Fat is good for anabolism, it's not your enemy...carbs are (jk on the carb comment )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem View Post
    fat requirements?
    I take 2g of fish oil at breakfast
    Start at 0.5g fat/lb BW
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Start at 0.5g fat/lb BW
    Yeah I routinely hit ~100g plus when low carbing or moderate-carbing during cut or recomp w/o even having to give it any thought. its hard not to right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem
    can you recommend something that allows one to burn fat and gain muscle?
    if in doubt, gain muscle has precedence over losing fat.
    Best advice on here is the advice of a caloric diet,proper training,cardio and the right foods...supps wont do it for u,so pay attention before u start blowing away your hard earned money...Certain supps MAY assist in the aiding of fat loss,as long as your diet is spot on. So do proper investigating of the supp of intetest and its benefits.

    At one point in my life i stopped training for yrs and well got very over weight...i lost about 70 lbs in just about 8-9 months and didnt use one supp,only whey protein..Food and cardio and weigt training..Though i had expierince as i always had trained and dieted in general,so i knew what was needed to lose weight.But ,an hour of cardio atleast 4-5 days a week,weight lifting ,low carbs,pleny of greens and protein and some good fats...and u can lose all that u want.Like i said i didnt use a single supplement unless u count a multi,fish oil,flax oil and whey as a supp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Best advice on here is the advice of a caloric diet,proper training,cardio and the right foods...supps wont do it for u,so pay attention before u start blowing away your hard earned money...Certain supps MAY assist in the aiding of fat loss,as long as your diet is spot on. So do proper investigating of the supp of intetest and its benefits.

    At one point in my life i stopped training for yrs and well got very over weight...i lost about 70 lbs in just about 8-9 months and didnt use one supp,only whey protein..Food and cardio and weigt training..Though i had expierince as i always had trained and dieted in general,so i knew what was needed to lose weight.But ,an hour of cardio atleast 4-5 days a week,weight lifting ,low carbs,pleny of greens and protein and some good fats...and u can lose all that u want.Like i said i didnt use a single supplement unless u count a multi,fish oil,flax oil and whey as a supp.

    Best of Luck
    it's not difficult to lose weight if there is a lot of excess. matter is when one is somewhat near the goal where everything slows down.
    but gaining muscle is downright impossible for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem
    it's not difficult to lose weight if there is a lot of excess. matter is when one is somewhat near the goal where everything slows down.
    but gaining muscle is downright impossible for me!
    Hows your form? How often r u eating and wat are u eating? Some ppl just take longer to gain muscle...stay focused n just keep at it
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    I tend to eat protein low on fat (either turkey or powder) like 2 times per day in addition to meals, often with either 4 almonds or 2 nuts.
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    This may be the problem, not enough fat in the diet to go along with the protein. just go higher on the fat, lower on the carbs, and stay high on the protein for a month or more and see if it helps any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    This may be the problem, not enough fat in the diet to go along with the protein. just go higher on the fat, lower on the carbs, and stay high on the protein for a month or more and see if it helps any.
    why is that, if I may ask? I've been taught that fat is the enemy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem

    why is that, if I may ask? I've been taught that fat is the enemy
    Trans fat is the enemy. We need the rest.
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    It would help for you to post your complete diet and lifting routine, so that we can better advise you.
    You seem to have some very outdated ideas about diet, the same may be true of your training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Trans fat is the enemy. We need the rest.
    yes this. dietary fat promotes anabolism (good for muscle building), and in the absence of carbs promotes fat burning....and your fish oils are beneficial to general health in many ways as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem

    why is that, if I may ask? I've been taught that fat is the enemy
    FATS FROM salmon and mixed nuts ,peanuts,avicados are good for you..in proper portions ofcourse...too much of anything is no good...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem View Post
    can you recommend something that allows one to burn fat and gain muscle?
    if in doubt, gain muscle has precedence over losing fat.

    Yes being a newbie to weight training and proper eating around the clock WILL elicit a new stimulus which will allow you to accrue muscle and drop fat. As you get more advanced HORMONE manipulation will be the key here....

    Androlean would easily help but maybe you arent exhausting all avenues yet (not that AL is hardcore but hormones are hormones...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Yes being a newbie to weight training and proper eating around the clock WILL elicit a new stimulus which will allow you to accrue muscle and drop fat. As you get more advanced HORMONE manipulation will be the key here....

    Androlean would easily help but maybe you arent exhausting all avenues yet (not that AL is hardcore but hormones are hormones...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem View Post
    can't get that where I am I fear.

    Try orbitnutrition -- i think he ships worldwide

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
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    what would this product do anyway?
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    A nutrient parititioner like na-rala to offset fat gain by shuttling nutrients to their appropriate locations and tt33 to increase your metabolic rate as well as increase protein synthesis will be most valuable to you IMO.

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    Our new PH-17 has had some amazing results in body recomp, may be worth you checking it out
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    A nutrient parititioner like na-rala to offset fat gain by shuttling nutrients to their appropriate locations and tt33 to increase your metabolic rate as well as increase protein synthesis will be most valuable to you IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    A nutrient parititioner like na-rala to offset fat gain by shuttling nutrients to their appropriate locations and tt33 to increase your metabolic rate as well as increase protein synthesis will be most valuable to you IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wlgsciences View Post
    Our new PH-17 has had some amazing results in body recomp, may be worth you checking it out
    again, please link me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Ansem View Post
    link please.
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    any product that actually works?
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    Alpahmine and erase pro from PES
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    what do they do?
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    what do you think of Erase +Ape from Athletic edge to help recomp?
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    Hey man sorry for the late reply, for some reason i couldn't find this thread!


    Anyways I would definitely run with ABE and erase pro for the most effective comp.

    ABE will help a little with carb intake as well as helping you put on some lean mass without the extra fat. It's honestly a complete formula with the adding of the forskalin and the anti-cortisol ingredient.

    Also Erase Pro will dry you out and lean you out quick. Also I noticed a good strength increase with it. The effects it has on physical appearance noticeable within the first couple of weeks!

    Any questions man let me know, sorry about getting back to you so late! Also ask the PES guys in their forum section... They are super helpful!!!
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    I tried a cycle of Erase pro + anabeta elite. honestly, I don't look that different. just some strength gains. did not lose weight and gained only a little.
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