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    Has anyone used the hybrid N.O.??
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    Quote Originally Posted by naenae1
    Has anyone used the hybrid N.O.??
    I have....
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    The only one I've tried was Recon. Definitely helped me A LOT considering I could actually walk fine the day after leg days.
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    i used their creatine for awhile, its a good blend..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech
    i used their creatine for awhile, its a good blend..
    Was always curious about this stuff... Not a bad price either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    i used their creatine for awhile, its a good blend..
    This. Good results, mixes really well, and no bloating.
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    Overpiced supps with somewhat good preworkout...not really much but stims and not much support for endurance in a PWO specifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Overpiced supps with somewhat good preworkout...not really much but stims and not much support for endurance in a PWO specifically.
    im not a fan of assault period but the creatine isnt badly priced...i just dont like the ufc marketing of the products
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    The combat powder is priced pretty well, and doesn't taste too bad either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soul0wner
    The combat powder is priced pretty well, and doesn't taste too bad either.
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    I've always been a fan of MP. They don't have many products that I've tried but they have a lot that I've always wanted to try.
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    Only thing I have to say is a decent preworkout and their products taste good.
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    Aaron what do you think of the hybrid NO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2
    Aaron what do you think of the hybrid NO?
    I noticed more fullness and a slight increase in pump. Vascularity was there too. I like it because I don't see any side effects from it and you dose 30 minutes before a work out which is a huge plus because you don't have to wait an hour an half like some other products. Not the strongest product out there though; if you got some extra money try it out.
    (One other good thing about it is that you can stack it with a pre w.o. that has pump ingredients too, just be careful)
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    Quote Originally Posted by naenae1 View Post
    Has anyone used the hybrid N.O.??
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    Overpriced (due to total ammount of supplementation and content of it in a bottle) Agmatine , Citrulline malate and an Overhyped product by the market media, when you can get around 3 months of Agmatine from sns agmatine powder and around the same for their big citrulline malate and dose it properly at 5-6g pre workout and get more bang for your buck AND better effects .

    No hate for MusclePharm, but they are the typical Overpriced OverHyped , Under-dosed product that they make sure lasts less than a month so you buy more and more...Sad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1

    I noticed more fullness and a slight increase in pump. Vascularity was there too. I like it because I don't see any side effects from it and you dose 30 minutes before a work out which is a huge plus because you don't have to wait an hour an half like some other products. Not the strongest product out there though; if you got some extra money try it out.
    (One other good thing about it is that you can stack it with a pre w.o. that has pump ingredients too, just be careful)
    Hm cuz I saw the agmatine and I think Citrulline too? It looked good but it's a little too much. I can buy the SNS tub of agmatine for the same price
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

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    Overpriced (due to total ammount of supplementation and content of it in a bottle) Agmatine , Citrulline malate and an Overhyped product by the market media, when you can get around 3 months of Agmatine from sns agmatine powder and around the same for their big citrulline malate and dose it properly at 5-6g pre workout and get more bang for your buck AND better effects .

    No hate for MusclePharm, but they are the typical Overpriced OverHyped , Under-dosed product that they make sure lasts less than a month so you buy more and more...Sad...
    Sorry didn't see the facts. It could definitely use more Citrulline though and maybe another 250 mg of agmatine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    I noticed more fullness and a slight increase in pump. Vascularity was there too. I like it because I don't see any side effects from it and you dose 30 minutes before a work out which is a huge plus because you don't have to wait an hour an half like some other products. Not the strongest product out there though; if you got some extra money try it out.
    (One other good thing about it is that you can stack it with a pre w.o. that has pump ingredients too, just be careful)
    How many servings did you take?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    Hm cuz I saw the agmatine and I think Citrulline too? It looked good but it's a little too much. I can buy the SNS tub of agmatine for the same price
    And its worth 3 months lol (You can also get SS agmatine which is pretty cheap and lasts for a month at a gram dose )...besides under-dosed citrulline malate is not even worth it. Now..lets see it claims it has Beet Nitrogen and that it is "scientifically studied":

    Beet Root:

    A vegetable abundant in nitrates, Beet Root´s dietary nitrate is reduced to bioactive nitrite NO2. It is then reduced further to nitric oxide as it is consumed. The result is increased plasma NO2. Dietary Beet Root supplementation may also help reduce muscle ATP turnover rate when you are under a heavy workload. Beet Root demonstrates potential to enhance exercise tolerance during lengthy endurance sessions.

    With Super Arginine ingredient, Agmatine, dramatically support increased muscle pumps
    Agmatine also offers antioxidant benefits
    GlycoCarn, a clinically-researched NO booster, supports increased muscle fullness and vascularity
    GlycoCarn offers skeletal muscle and cardiac tissue health supporting benefits while delivering powerful antioxidant properties
    Citrulline Malate promotes increased recovery and aerobic energy and decreased soreness
    Reduces mental and physical fatigue
    Great stimulant free pre-workout
    Increased vasodilation

    These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.
    I would love to see some studies behind it...just too lazy to look for it ATM , its sunday haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123
    How many servings did you take?
    4 pills, recommended dose....

    I realized agmatine adds more vascularity and fullness, more so than a huge pump....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    4 pills, recommended dose....

    I realized agmatine adds more vascularity and fullness, more so than a huge pump....
    Sorry was curious as I know you don't respond to agmatine, must have been that little dose of CM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2

    Hm cuz I saw the agmatine and I think Citrulline too? It looked good but it's a little too much. I can buy the SNS tub of agmatine for the same price
    True; it's not the strongest. I thought about trying 5-6 caps... Price wouldn't be worth it.
    I tried 4 caps with my pre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123
    Sorry was curious as I know you don't respond to agmatine, must have been that little dose of CM.
    True. I've gotten huge pumps from different things in the past. The agmatine for me when I used the SS bottle kept me more full and enhanced vascularity... Yeah agmatine by itself I dunno, Fl3x said he had the same issue. Maybe you have to take it for a month or so for it to build.

    Minus the agmatine there's 1600mg of other pump ingredients in there though.
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    I've tried Assault and Recon. Assault is a decent enough pre-workout. It's a ton of powder, but I enjoyed my run of it. It's not my favorite pre on the market, but a solid one however. Recon tastes absolutely delicious and I did enjoy increased recovery throughout the bottle. Haven't tried anything else by them as of yet but you should be able to find reviews on a lot of their products to help make a better decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    And its worth 3 months lol (You can also get SS agmatine which is pretty cheap and lasts for a month at a gram dose )...besides under-dosed citrulline malate is not even worth it. Now..lets see it claims it has Beet Nitrogen and that it is "scientifically studied":

    I would love to see some studies behind it...just too lazy to look for it ATM , its sunday haha.
    See its weird because I take agmatine and a scoop of c4 and I get a ridiculous pump. But when I'm out of agmatine I take yok3d and nanostim with a scoop of c4 and my pump is just average. I'm pretty pumped to take my test powder/ ad3pct stack. No more sh1tty no boosters!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    Sorry didn't see the facts. It could definitely use more Citrulline though and maybe another 250 mg of agmatine.
    Idk...some guys at my gym are all over it and go like: "Oh yeah Agmatine!! the new thing!! AWESOME!! MORE VASCULARITY!!" but its just because it is an overpriced overhyped product and they don't know anything about the supplement industry really, they just buy online or from the local retailer and care to do no research about stuff.

    IMO Best way to use Agmatine for Pumps would be:

    Dose 1g
    30-45 mins later have a pre workout meal containing carbohydrates (complex IMO)
    Proceed to workout...Since it has GDA effects to make it work better that way.

    I personally use it more the GDA benefits , taking it post workout , 1g some 30mins before my post workout meal, eat a lot of carbs , and still I'll get the sweet pumps the next day (and some times even pumps when I'm eating haha)
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    I like agmatine with Citruilline Malate. Everyone enjoys something different. I actually tried C4 the other day and got a HUGE headache. Going to try it again to see if it was a fluke
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123
    I like agmatine with Citruilline Malate. Everyone enjoys something different. I actually tried C4 the other day and got a HUGE headache. Going to try it again to see if it was a fluke
    Yeah Shock Therapy the new one, my body can't tolerate it @ all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    See its weird because I take agmatine and a scoop of c4 and I get a ridiculous pump. But when I'm out of agmatine I take yok3d and nanostim with a scoop of c4 and my pump is just average. I'm pretty pumped to take my test powder/ ad3pct stack. No more sh1tty no boosters!
    The Citrulline malate and Agmatine combo IMO is the best way to get perfect pumps. Besides back to topic, 1.6g of extra stuff, minus the 500mg of Citrulline Malate (which does NOTHING at that dose) is just the kinda garbage they do for supps (MusclePharm), add fillers that do NOTHING for you at all at their underdosed, pixie-dust-dose-level ingredients...But then again, like I said , even guys at my gym just fall for the brand and for what the bro's and the local retailer with the three letters say to them...Its sad, I wish more people would join AM and get educated more on supps <3!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123
    I like agmatine with Citruilline Malate. Everyone enjoys something different. I actually tried C4 the other day and got a HUGE headache. Going to try it again to see if it was a fluke
    Hm interesting. I think there is too much niacin in it though feels like I'm having an allergic reaction. Probably because i just got off craze a bit ago but c4 blue razz tastes awesome.
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    I wish I could use pre-workouts. There literally aren't any that do anything for me due to my stimulant resistance.

    Jack3d - Absolutely nothing
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    AmiNO Energy - Actually something, but only for maybe a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broda
    I wish I could use pre-workouts. There literally aren't any that do anything for me due to my stimulant resistance.

    Jack3d - Absolutely nothing
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    Break? Or you just stun tolerant in general?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    The Citrulline malate and Agmatine combo IMO is the best way to get perfect pumps. Besides back to topic, 1.6g of extra stuff, minus the 500mg of Citrulline Malate (which does NOTHING at that dose) is just the kinda garbage they do for supps (MusclePharm), add fillers that do NOTHING for you at all at their underdosed, pixie-dust-dose-level ingredients...But then again, like I said , even guys at my gym just fall for the brand and for what the bro's and the local retailer with the three letters say to them...Its sad, I wish more people would join AM and get educated more on supps <3!
    I agree with the fillers I think assault is like 10k mg proprietary blend? Which sounds a bit shady but a ton of people love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    Break? Or you just stun tolerant in general?
    Tolerant in general. Took those over maybe a 2 year span.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    I agree with the fillers I think assault is like 10k mg proprietary blend? Which sounds a bit shady but a ton of people love it.
    If you want a good pre workout with real effects on the workout (rather than just filling it with Staples and calling it a PWO with stims) take Monster Pump...IMO at least. Or go for Ultima (not stimmed but a coffee a day keeps the water flushed away).
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    If you want a good pre workout with real effects on the workout (rather than just filling it with Staples and calling it a PWO with stims) take Monster Pump...IMO at least. Or go for Ultima (not stimmed but a coffee a day keeps the water flushed away).
    The same monster pump buy cytosport? I heard it was good but that was from a customer. Good profile?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    The same monster pump buy cytosport? I heard it was good but that was from a customer. Good profile?
    Yeah good enough profile, size is good haha it lasts a while. iMO Ultima (stimless) is better. Now talking about new supps, check out PNI Prodigy, seems to me like an insane good focus, good pump formula, and it does pose endurance benefits with COP. Seems good to me !
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    Thanks guys for all the info. Ive been all over the place to find someone to tell me what they think. Being a female and trying to meet my goal i have to ask men because my body response very well and fast to things. Most women dont get the reason i want to gain weight. So thanks bunches im sure all this will work me .
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    Quote Originally Posted by naenae1 View Post
    Thanks guys for all the info. Ive been all over the place to find someone to tell me what they think. Being a female and trying to meet my goal i have to ask men because my body response very well and fast to things. Most women dont get the reason i want to gain weight. So thanks bunches im sure all this will work me .
    Anytime that's what we are here for! Also, remember its 99% diet!! If you need some help with it , or with training, let us know and we can advise you on it too! Welcome to AM btw!
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