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    Best Pre Workout without Creatine 2012 ?


    Hey everyone!

    Is White Flood still the king of this category?

    Thanks!!

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    Does it have to contain stims? If not, then Hemavol hands down!
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    Neogenix NeuroSurge is good. IForce Hemavol falls in this category. Lots of good options out there.
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    Hemavol and Body Octane for stim free.

    White Flood for a stim option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLW2 View Post
    Does it have to contain stims? If not, then Hemavol hands down!
    ^^^^

    stim free options: hemavol, body octane

    stim options: white flood, focus xt
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    I vote for RPM!
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    THANK GUYS! You're all awesome for the help !!
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    Erase OG + EC Stack will help you lift 100lbs right over your head. It's the hulk hogan of preworkouts.
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    sns bulk products.....make your own
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    sns bulk products.....make your own
    This or Hemavol/Body Octane
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This or Hemavol/Body Octane
    That's the stack I use ! Awesome stuff
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    MAN Body Octane for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldwanus View Post
    ^^^^

    stim free options: hemavol, body octane

    stim options: white flood, focus xt
    good list right here. I personally didn't notice much from white flood or even the earlier white blood they used to have but I haven't tried the newest version so I can't attest to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    MAN Body Octane for sure.
    I have gotta try that, I keep hearing good things about it.
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    Also for stim free a scoop of compete pre workout and another scoop intra = aaaaamazingness

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    SizeOn is one my my favorites in the non-stim category.
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    Since the theme here seems to be non-stim, I'd go Anabolic Ignite. Though it does have creatine nitrate in it. Being a nitrate however, takes it somewhat out of your typical creatine catagory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    good list right here. I personally didn't notice much from white flood or even the earlier white blood they used to have but I haven't tried the newest version so I can't attest to that.
    We have free samples of the new batch, if your interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows

    We have free samples of the new batch, if your interested.
    Could i try a sample? Ive been wanting to give white flood a try along with the new version.. just never did.
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    Hemavol, body octane for stim free options

    That, or 2 scoops hemavol + 1 scoop Compete with 1.5 scoops Compete during
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrainingDaze View Post
    Hey everyone!

    Is White Flood still the king of this category?

    Thanks!!
    Another vote for Hemavol/Body Octane for pre WO (non-stim).

    If you're into stims SNS Focus XT plus an agmatine product (SNS Bulk agmatine, Hemavol, etc.) makes for a great pump and mental focus combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rehj View Post
    Another vote for Hemavol/Body Octane for pre WO (non-stim).

    If you're into stims SNS Focus XT plus an agmatine product (SNS Bulk agmatine, Hemavol, etc.) makes for a great pump and mental focus combo.
    SNS FocusXT and hemavol stack great! Hmmm I think FocusXT, hemavol pre and compete intra would be a even better

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    Quote Originally Posted by StackedCop

    SNS FocusXT and hemavol stack great! Hmmm I think FocusXT, hemavol pre and compete intra would be a even better
    Couldn't agree more. I love me some compete recovery (not to mention its f-ing delicious).

    And Hemavol is a great pre WO that is much more than just agmatine for a pump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldwanus

    ^^^^

    stim free options: hemavol, body octane

    stim options: white flood, focus xt
    I like focus xt as well. If you find you need something else in it you can easily modify it with our bulk ingredients. Utima and mesomorph were.also some of my favorites
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    CRAZE! It's a ****ing AWESOME pre-workout. Best I've ever tried.


    I either take that or pop an ephedrine and take some Amplified by **** ass ***.
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    Crush up some dexaprine and mix it in with hemavol. Hardcore

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    Quote Originally Posted by StackedCop View Post
    Crush up some dexaprine and mix it in with hemavol. Hardcore
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    Not to get off topic, but is the new hemavol powerder the same as the pills? I used it when it first came out in pill form and never really got anything out of it, I am a bad responder I guess. It was reputable back then but now everyone seems to heap praise on it. Thanks.
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    Hemavol is deff a favorite here. Just can't justify 32 servings for $32 plus shipping. If cost was lowered then maybe. But I guess you make a better pre workout just using bulk stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callejul View Post
    Hemavol is deff a favorite here. Just can't justify 32 servings for $32 plus shipping. If cost was lowered then maybe. But I guess you make a better pre workout just using bulk stuff
    $1/sv isn't much if the product works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountryLiftin View Post
    Not to get off topic, but is the new hemavol powerder the same as the pills? I used it when it first came out in pill form and never really got anything out of it, I am a bad responder I guess. It was reputable back then but now everyone seems to heap praise on it. Thanks.
    It's the same product just in powder form. I think the main issue with the tabs is users were not giving the tabs enough time to break down. Many users that didn't like the tabs seem to respond much better to the powder.

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    What if one scoop is not enough of
    product?
    Why not get CM and agmatine in bulk? Its definitely cheaper in the long haul. And you could possibly dose CM at 8g. Dose Agmatine 500 mg to 1 gram. And the prop blend in hemavol doesn't impress me in the least. Look I'm not saying its bad, it has a great profile and I have taken it with Clout for great pumps. But for the cash I wont buy a tub anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountryLiftin View Post
    Not to get off topic, but is the new hemavol powerder the same as the pills? I used it when it first came out in pill form and never really got anything out of it, I am a bad responder I guess. It was reputable back then but now everyone seems to heap praise on it. Thanks.
    The pharmacokinetic differences between tablets and powder may very well change your periworkout response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callejul
    What if one scoop is not enough of
    product?
    Why not get CM and agmatine in bulk? Its definitely cheaper in the long haul. And you could possibly dose CM at 8g. Dose Agmatine 500 mg to 1 gram. And the prop blend in hemavol doesn't impress me in the least. Look I'm not saying its bad, it has a great profile and I have taken it with Clout for great pumps. But for the cash I wont buy a tub anytime soon.
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    Is Craze stim or non stim? I am confused
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