"All American Kre-Alkalyn EFX" or "Jack3d"
- 07-26-2012, 12:14 AM
- 07-26-2012, 04:04 AM
Jack3d is clearly a better preworkout than creatine...http://pescience.com/
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
- 07-26-2012, 05:06 AM
07-26-2012, 12:43 PM
What PWO would u recommend? The new Jack3d Micro is apparently pretty s*#t, so I'll avoid it as long as possible...
07-26-2012, 12:51 PM
Preworkout wise depends on what your lookin for. Hemavol is good for pumps, I like NeuroSurge for drive and focus, Ultima is a good non stim. There's lot of good choices out there anymore.
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
07-26-2012, 06:41 PM
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08-01-2012, 09:33 AM
Cheers guys... I got Hemavol & Superpump Max on it's way...
08-06-2012, 10:30 AM
I cancelled my Hemavol order & went for Superpump Max & Sizeon instead... Apparently the two together is great, Superpump Max pre & Sizeon intra... Is this true?
08-06-2012, 10:35 AM
Cancelled my order of Hemavol & got Superpump Max & Sizeon on the way instead... Apparently the two together is great, Superpump Max pre & Sizeon intra... Is this true?
08-07-2012, 01:11 AM
I tried size on and got nothing from it, but it is also very different from hemavol.
08-07-2012, 01:53 AM
def not Kre-Alkalyn, if u read up Kre-Alkalyn is suppose to be the big new thing when it comes to creatine, its suppose to help you gain lean muscle with out retaining water, from my personal use it didnt do a thing for me, creatine in general does nothing for me but put water weight on that just falls off as soon as i stop. You are proly going to have to just do some trial and error to find you a good pwo, i starded off with jacked 3d and loved it. I now cant take it cause it does nothing for me. I now am using 1mr and love it. I try to not use a preworkout every day because like with the jacked i tend to start not getting the effects from it. I use a pwo for a week then switch to caffein based fat burner and it helps me to not become immune. You also may want something that is not caffeinated but idk what your goals are i personally love the tingleing feeling you get from the caffeine based pwo, hope this helps
08-07-2012, 02:33 AM
Sizeon combined with Superpump Max or another PWO? Won't take Sizeon alone... Because it's suppose to be taken post workout, but apparently acts quick enough to take intra...Originally Posted by tyrub42
08-07-2012, 02:48 AM
Kswiss definitely has a point about not using a PWO every day. For me, they lose potency if I use them more than 3 times/week (4 times MAX). Not sure about the caffeine-related tingling though. I think that sensation might be coming from beta alanine, which give most ppl a tingling sensation (which I hate, but many people love it or quickly get used to it).
For the record, a friend of mine here in TW started a Fight sport equipment company and imports only EFX stuff. I tried that stuff the OP was talking about. It is just a pill full of Kre-Alkalyn and caffeine. It gave me the same boost that taking caffeine normally would, and the stuff seems to be very overpriced for what it is. The same company does make a genuine PWO powder though. I haven't tried it yet, but there is a sample jug at the BJJ club that I should get around to trying. That looks ok. Nothing too special as far as stims go (just come caffeine I think), but it has a lot of decent ingredients without any proprietary blends so you know exactly what you are getting. Not sure what the price is but so far that company's stuff seems overpriced in general.
I haven't actually tried Hemavol yet, but I have a sample waiting for me when I get back to the states (thanks, iForce!) and I hear only good things about it. If you have the money, I would recommend that plus a serving of your favorite stim-based PWO if you require stims (I can't wait to try Maximize V2 with Hemavol...I am expecting great things since just the Maximize gets me very pumped already). I recommend Maximize V2, and the Intense version is probably even better but I haven't tried it yet. You don't need much; I use 1/4-1/3 of a serving and get a great, clear-headed focused energy. I personally think Superpump 250 was VERY lame, but haven't tried the newer version of it. Your mileage may vary but if you want to get two things that will work well together I would try one of these three things:
-Maximize + Hemavol (most expensive option but you get what you pay for)
-Maximize + Agmatine (look on NP for cheap Agmatine...it is the most important ingredient in Hemavol as far as pumps go I believe, and will be a few bucks cheaper than the Hemavol)
-Hemavol + the cheapest stim product you can find (since the Hemavol will cover the pump, you really just need to worry about the stims...still though, at the price it is now, Maximize Intense at NP is super cheap...some other options would be other stuff on clearance at NP like thermogum or whatever else you find that has a lot of stims and is cheap)
P.S.- After you try the sizeon run, take a break, and then repeat the experiment with regular creatine intra (you can put a little sugary stuff like gatorade etc in there too if you want) and compare your results. You might find the sizeon was better, or you might find that regular creatine works just as well for a lot less money.
08-07-2012, 02:50 AM
Forget Jack3d! I seem to crash way too soon after taking it...Originally Posted by kswiss
Caffeine not a big fan...
I'm not going to be relying on the Kre-alkalyn, but I'm taking 9g workout days & 6g off days because well I have a bottle here, & I see results... Subtle, but noticeable to myself & others... I have seen many reviews on this Kre-alkalyn & seems people either get results or don't...Mouth gets dry as hell through if I miss a glass of water every 15-20mins... That's all I'm taking until Tuesday when my order of Superpump Max & Sizeon arrive...
Like you said, trial & error...
08-07-2012, 02:55 AM
08-07-2012, 03:00 AM
I just checked the ingredient list on NP. Seems like you could get the same thing by mixing 10g BCAA and 5g Creatine right after your workout and eating a piece of fruit with your protein shake/post workout meal. Just my opinion though. You can probably tell I am not a strong supporter of sizeon, but I am sure many people feel differently.
08-07-2012, 03:01 AM
I only take PWO(when I have it) on harder workout days only... The beta-alanine & caffeine cause me jitters & I don't like it at all... My Jack3d is all clumped up because I stopped using it... Coffee alone gives me jitters...Originally Posted by tyrub42
I'm going to try this combo of Max & Sizeon, switch to creatine when Sizeon is finished, then I'll try Hemavol + a good stim...
Does that thermogum actually work? I was a bit sceptical when I saw that stuff...
08-07-2012, 03:06 AM
No idea to be honest, but I got 5 packs since they are a dollar each now and the reviews are great. They are waiting for me in NY when I go to visit family (looks like we are both playing the international shipping game and if Aus is anything like TW shipping charges and customs are no fun, so I am happy to be avoiding them on my most recent order)
08-07-2012, 03:13 AM
If it was all available locally & not so different in price from state to state, country to country, I'd just go out & buy all of it as wanted, but such is life when u don't agree with some of the bull**** prices out there...Originally Posted by tyrub42
08-07-2012, 03:17 AM
Cheers all, got heaps of info here... Much appreciated real world opinions... We all know that the companies all say their products work better than the rest...
08-07-2012, 05:52 AM
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08-07-2012, 06:05 AM
Haha! You took that the wrong way bud... I was talking about the difference between reading labels & asking people in the know...Originally Posted by drooks10
Have you got any recommendations on ANY products from ANY companies, or are you just letting me know the two products I mentioned(one of which I've stopped, the other just finishing the bottle I paid for) are not better than yours?
08-08-2012, 04:07 AM
08-08-2012, 12:24 PM
One is creatine and one is a pre workout. There diff...But both are good,imo.Originally Posted by BLaQz
08-08-2012, 12:31 PM
Cheers... I'm getting some good results with the creatine alone... That Jack3d crawling skin & Jitters are not worth it for me... I'm getting Superpump Max with none of that Beta-Alanine in it, & Sizeon & thinking of continuing the Kre-alkalyn... What you think about that stack? Too much?Originally Posted by Jay888999
08-08-2012, 12:33 PM
I'm doing size on right now. I like it, but I got mine free...definitely wouldn't pay full price. Hemavol is far better at what it does than size onOriginally Posted by BLaQz
08-08-2012, 12:35 PM
Hemavol is about twice the price of Sizeon here... Is that about the same for you? Are you taking Sizeon intra or post workout?Originally Posted by uvawahoowa
08-08-2012, 12:39 PM
kre alkalyn = creatine + baking soda
you can try hemavol. solid pumps
08-08-2012, 12:58 PM
The baking soda is what stops the bloating you get from just creatine isn't it? Makes sense now... Spewing I cancelled my order of Hemavol now, no big deal I'll just get it when Sizeon is done... All 1.3kg of it... I think I got enough confirmation that Hemavol is the way to go... Cheers for that...Originally Posted by prider
08-08-2012, 01:54 PM
No, expired size on is half the price of hemavol. Unexpired size on is about 50% more expensive.Originally Posted by BLaQz
I'm using size on intra
08-08-2012, 01:56 PM
I hope what I ordered isn't expired... What country you in?Originally Posted by uvawahoowa
08-08-2012, 03:50 PM
US...how much did you pay?Originally Posted by BLaQz
08-08-2012, 03:56 PM
Just under $40 for the 1.3kg Sizeon & it's around $60 for the Hemavol...Originally Posted by uvawahoowa
08-08-2012, 04:00 PM
Ah you must be overseas...hemavol is about 28-31 over here depending on where you get it.Originally Posted by BLaQz
08-08-2012, 04:04 PM
Yeah, Australia man... You know a lot or pretty much all of the good stuff starts in the US... Our suppliers get em from the US & we are responsible for the Aus suppliers profit... Knowing that, would u go for the Sizeon over the Hemavol only because of the price? I'll be using Superpump pre, Sizeon intra & I'm thinking bout keeping the kre-alkalyn pre & post... I gained just under an inch on my arms in weeks on just the kre-alkalyn so I'd feel stupid stopping it... Total for those 3 products here is $127... Keep in mind that 1.3kg Sizeon, 1.280kg Superpump Max & the kre-alkalyn...Originally Posted by uvawahoowa
08-08-2012, 04:21 PM
Creatine should be in every stack.I take time off from it,for no reason.I take time off all supps even vitamins.thats just me.No reason though why Creatine shouldnt be a reg in your routine al;ways with whatever
08-08-2012, 05:29 PM
Smart approach... With just the high doses of kre-alkalyn I'm smashing every workout... Great that u don't have to cycle it like mono... My impatience is making me get all the preworkout & intra-workout supps... I think that with anything that has the potential to enhance performance will eventually have a plateau effect after too much repetition & tolerance build up so cycling is smart & probably healthier... I can guarantee that when I get to a point where I'm happy with how my body is, I'll stop everything but the kre-alkalyn I think... All the PWO & stuff is just a kick start... I'm motivated enough to get results without cos I'm my worst critic...Originally Posted by Jay888999
08-13-2012, 11:26 AM
Got my Superpump Max & I'm happy with it... Didn't feel like I was on crack which I loved... Enough of a pump...Plus no tingling & a MINOR crash... Wouldn't take it alone... Got L-Arginine 3000mg, Chromium Picolinate 1000mcg & more Kre-alkalyn caps on the way... This combo seems right for my goals I think...
08-13-2012, 03:58 PM
as for cycling well for one too much of anything is never to good.. and two i like taking breaks i feel when u take antyhere from 3 months to even a year off all supps when u get into them your body sucks them up quicker causing better results.
08-13-2012, 03:59 PM
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