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    all the different carnitines...


    probably beating a dead horse
    but i'd like to try these different carnitines, so far theres ALC, lclt, gplc, and plc?
    so what i've heard is that alc is a nootropic and increase mental energy, plc increases physical energy, lclt increases recovery...
    so what amounts do you take these in?
    do they have to be taken separately or can they be combined?
    i hear some people have bad results, like tiredness, headaches, diarrhea, etc

    plus these all taste very bad right? (so they should be capped?) and can make you smell bad too possibly?

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    2g of each. Can be taken separately or combined...bets time is preworkout.

    SNS makes ALCAR and PLCAR capped, AI sports makes LCLT capped
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    What about Carnitine Fumarate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23
    What about Carnitine Fumarate?
    Good question, id like to know too
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    2g of each. Can be taken separately or combined...bets time is preworkout.

    SNS makes ALCAR and PLCAR capped, AI sports makes LCLT capped
    Thanks a ton
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    I don't think they taste bad at all.

    I haven't tried to drink them with straight water, but when mixed with ANYTHING at all I don't notice the addition of the carnitines. I'd buy bulk alcar and plcar from nutraplanet and lclt from ai sports, but if you're willing to pay for the convenience of caps then SNS is the way to go.

    The only supplements I absolutely have to cap are pramiracetam and cissus.
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    Never knew PLCAR gave you energy. Could someone give a short explanation of what to expect taking it? I mean, with regular dosing, could I expect an extra rep or two or maybe add a couple pounds to what I already use to workout or better recovery between sets or is it not like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    What about Carnitine Fumarate?
    This and LCLT are my 2 favorite forms for athletic enhancement. Past that, ALCAR is my favorite for mental enhancement.
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    I like LEF's optimized carnitine. combo of ALCAR, acetyl l carnitine arginate, and GPLC. A little pricey but they make great products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    This and LCLT are my 2 favorite forms for athletic enhancement. Past that, ALCAR is my favorite for mental enhancement.
    where can we get fumarate in bulk/powder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    where can we get fumarate in bulk/powder?
    Fumarate is pretty tough to find in a bulk powder. It is in iForce Compete though, along with LCLT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    where can we get fumarate in bulk/powder?
    Fumarate is pretty tough to find in a bulk powder. It is in iForce Compete though, along with LCLT.
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    so 2g a day of each: alcar, plcar, fumarate, and lclt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    so 2g a day of each: alcar, plcar, fumarate, and lclt?
    ALCAR - 2g in AM or preworkout
    PLCAR - 2g in AM or preworkout
    LCLT - 2g preworkout
    Fumarate - 2g preworkout
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    ALCAR - 2g in AM or preworkout
    PLCAR - 2g in AM or preworkout
    LCLT - 2g preworkout
    Fumarate - 2g preworkout
    thanks for being awesomeeeee
    should i also be taking some kind of test booster (like DAA, testofen) during this due to increased androgen receptors from the carnitines? i am already taking erase pro, anabeta elite, igf2 and at2 - started about a week ago and will go for 8 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    thanks for being awesomeeeee
    should i also be taking some kind of test booster (like DAA, testofen) during this due to increased androgen receptors from the carnitines? i am already taking erase pro, anabeta elite, igf2 and at2 - started about a week ago and will go for 8 weeks.
    No, the increased AR density doesn't really lend itself to natural testosterone boosters. It may be useful on a true hormonal cycle though.
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    Any need to cycle off of ALCAR?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    No, the increased AR density doesn't really lend itself to natural testosterone boosters. It may be useful on a true hormonal cycle though.
    lclt noticeably increased the effect of my trt[test cyp 200mg weekly], increased but controlled aggression was noticed almost from the 1st dose. workouts are definately more intense when i am using lclt!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Any need to cycle off of ALCAR?
    As with anything, you should cycle off. As for ALCAR, 3 months on, 1 month off.

    Coop and Dr. Houser have some more knowledge on the prolonged use of ALCAR. However, I think it has a chance to turn pro-oxidant if used for extended periods of time. Although, the time period is fairly long, iirc. So, don't worry about pro-oxidation if you are not using it consistently for over half a year.

    Also, Coop and others suggests supplementing Na-R-Ala as it has some synergistic effects with ALCAR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    ALCAR - 2g in AM or preworkout
    PLCAR - 2g in AM or preworkout
    LCLT - 2g preworkout
    Fumarate - 2g preworkout
    Have any of these recommendations changed? I just got all 4, but have been doing 1g alcar 2x a day for a while, added in 1g of lclt with the alcar 2-3◊ a day. I know pre workout may be optimal but I'm using it to fight some gnarly form of exhaustion/chronic pain.
    Could I do 1g of each 2x a day? Is taking 4g of mixed carnitines at once a problem? Should every carnitine be spaced out?
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