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  1. How do I rep up someone if I'm doing this on a cell phone??


  2. Quote Originally Posted by rambofireball View Post
    Yes, grains do tend to be inflammatory, but to say that animal proteins are not inflammatory is ridiculous, and completely wrong. In fact, meat itself tends to average much higher on the PRAL scale than grains.

    Exhibit A
    http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/bases.htm

    By this account, the oats and b​rown rice you mentioned earlier come in at a whopping 12.5 and 10.7, the highest of the grains category and on average about twice as high as the other listed foods of that category.

    To be fair, let's look at the two highest rated foods in the animal products. We have parmesan cheese at 34.2 and processed cheese at 28.7, about 3x that of the highest rated grains.

    B
    http://www.essense-of-life.com/moreinfo/foodcharts.htm
    C
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/30...t-in-the-body/
    D
    http://www.energiseforlife.com/acid-...food-chart.pdf

    They all have generally the same trend, that meats and dairy tend to be more acidic than grains.

    Regardless of what dogmas you live by, you should really start fact checking them before you try to correct or give people advice.



    I addressed the legitimacy of periodically rotating staples of your diet on page two, in response to an earlier post of yours. I am not prepared to claim that it is the factor or even a primary factor, but it is absolutely a factor in chronic inflammation and one's overall health. If you contain some knowledge I or anyone else appears to be lacking on the subject, then please, lay it out on the table. But PLEASE, take the five minutes to do some fact checking before you post any more erroneous claims.
    Did I say that protein was not acidic? No, I didn't. Protein in and of itself is the highest producer of renal acid load. That's why it is the first and largest component of the PRAL formula. The cheese and grains argument is retarded; how often do you eat 100g of either of those is a sitting much less throughout the day like brown rice and oats. I won't even mention the lectins and phytic acid part of the inflammation equation that you also have to counter by eating either of those grains. Don't bring up fact checking when you not only twisted my words, but also left out a very important part of the issue, which is inflammatory proteins such as lectin.

    Your legitimacy is based off of your personal experience and n=1 means nothing. Food choice is the primary factor for low-grade, chronic inflammation. This is the reason that it is common for those with auto-immune disorders to switch to Paleo-style eating: to avoid the chronic inflammation.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Did I say that protein was not acidic? No, I didn't. Protein in and of itself is the highest producer of renal acid load. That's why it is the first and largest component of the PRAL formula. The cheese and grains argument is retarded; how often do you eat 100g of either of those is a sitting much less throughout the day like brown rice and oats. I won't even mention the lectins and phytic acid part of the inflammation equation that you also have to counter by eating either of those grains. Don't bring up fact checking when you not only twisted my words, but also left out a very important part of the issue, which is inflammatory proteins such as lectin.

    Your legitimacy is based off of your personal experience and n=1 means nothing. Food choice is the primary factor for low-grade, chronic inflammation. This is the reason that it is common for those with auto-immune disorders to switch to Paleo-style eating: to avoid the chronic inflammation.
    Let's break this down.

    Statement #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Did I say that protein was not acidic? No, I didn't.
    Ok, back it up a bit..
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    ...Also, most of the highly acidic, hence inflammatory, foods are grains, not animal proteins (e.g. brown rice, oats, etc.).


    ...Huh...

    No, you did not specifically say protein was not acidic, however, I never made the claim that you had said anything of the sort. You did say that animal protein was not "most of the highly acidic", and while I couldn't find much on animal protein specifically, I did provide information that would lead one to believe that whole animal products are much much more acidic than you insinuated.

    Statement #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    The cheese and grains argument is retarded; how often do you eat 100g of either of those is a sitting much less throughout the day like brown rice and oats.
    I too would be willing to bet that it is much more common to eat larger portions of grains than cheese, although these portions will be different for every individual and diet, and so I find it to be a fairly invalid point to argue. The fact in question was which food source provided the higher PRAL score, you claimed it to be grains in general over animal protein. I corrected you by providing information on the topic.

    Statement #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I won't even mention the lectins and phytic acid part of the inflammation equation that you also have to counter by eating either of those grains. Don't bring up fact checking when you not only twisted my words, but also left out a very important part of the issue, which is inflammatory proteins such as lectin.
    Not gonna mention it eh? Now, it's hard to tell exactly what your goal in stating this is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I have been informed, the negative implications of Lectins and phytic acid have little to do with our discussion of acidity and determined PRAL value, but more to do with their unrelated biological actions. Being that these are just two classes of many compounds found in a grain, and they do not have any relevance to our previous discussion, it is really quite a random thing to 'not mention', and entering a discussion where we widen the scope to that degree will inevitably result in an endless plant vs. animal diet war (by no means related to this discussion). So, if you really want to start another war about plant versus animal based diets, then I'm game, I have plenty of ammo for either side, but start a new thread and let's duke it out over there.

    Statement #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Your legitimacy is based off of your personal experience and n=1 means nothing.
    I believe this is in regards to the infamous post of page 2? To correct your understanding, I used my personal experience as a real world example of the Immunological mechanism I was discussing. And yes, Immunology=real.

    and Numero Cinco
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Food choice is the primary factor for low-grade, chronic inflammation.
    This has basically been my point all along...
    My parents created my body, in which I create my mind. I will honor them, by developing both to their utmost potential.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by rambofireball View Post
    Let's break this down.

    Statement #1

    Ok, back it up a bit..


    ...Huh...

    No, you did not specifically say protein was not acidic, however, I never made the claim that you had said anything of the sort. You did say that animal protein was not "most of the highly acidic", and while I couldn't find much on animal protein specifically, I did provide information that would lead one to believe that whole animal products are much much more acidic than you insinuated.

    Again, you're twisting my words to fit your argument. Of the commonly recommended "healthy" foods, oats and brown rice have the highest PRAL of 10.7 and 12.5, respectively, for 100g of each. Compared to the common animal protein sources like chicken breast and lean beef, which have a score of 8.7 and 7.8, respectively, the grains are much higher. I did not say that animal protein is not acidic and I quoted oats and brown rice for the fact that they are highly recommended, yet have a very high renal load. What information did you post that exactly would lead one to believe that animal protein is more acidic? By quoting the PRAL of parmesan and processed cheese?

    Statement #2


    I too would be willing to bet that it is much more common to eat larger portions of grains than cheese, although these portions will be different for every individual and diet, and so I find it to be a fairly invalid point to argue. The fact in question was which food source provided the higher PRAL score, you claimed it to be grains in general over animal protein. I corrected you by providing information on the topic.

    Word twisting once more. Do you know how large of a portion that 100g of parmesan cheese is? 40 tsp, which is ~13 Tbsp. That's nearly 1/2 of a standard container of parmesan. That's what made your example irrelevant.

    Statement #3


    Not gonna mention it eh? Now, it's hard to tell exactly what your goal in stating this is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I have been informed, the negative implications of Lectins and phytic acid have little to do with our discussion of acidity and determined PRAL value, but more to do with their unrelated biological actions. Being that these are just two classes of many compounds found in a grain, and they do not have any relevance to our previous discussion, it is really quite a random thing to 'not mention', and entering a discussion where we widen the scope to that degree will inevitably result in an endless plant vs. animal diet war (by no means related to this discussion). So, if you really want to start another war about plant versus animal based diets, then I'm game, I have plenty of ammo for either side, but start a new thread and let's duke it out over there.

    Actually, and this was you that brought it up, the overall topic was inflammation and food allergies. Guess what? Lectins and phytic acid are a big part of that due to their interference with endothelial cell regeneration and anti-nutrient properties. PRAL and metabolic acidosis are not the only factors in the inflammatory process. It is a portion of it, but only a piece of the puzzle. Hell, the PRAL of wheat bread is only slightly acidic, but the gluten and gliadin within it is inherently inflammatory to the intestinal cells (increased TNF-alpha production; PMID: 20514534)

    Statement #4


    I believe this is in regards to the infamous post of page 2? To correct your understanding, I used my personal experience as a real world example of the Immunological mechanism I was discussing. And yes, Immunology=real.

    Did I say anything that would lead anyone to believe immunology is not a "real" field of science?

    and Numero Cinco


    This has basically been my point all along...
    Rebuttal in bold.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  5. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja

    Rebuttal in bold.


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    ^^^rodja
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  6. so, why are you taking script HGH (nutropin)? I'm sorry if I'm making you re-type your self, my attention span is not long enough to read a 55 posts.
    AM sucks ass. find me on ASF or IMF.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by 3utcher View Post
    IMO they know that better than 98% of the internet guys on the forum.
    If you want to ask them, ask them.
    Not sure what u ment by that...

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Slappy244 View Post
    so, why are you taking script HGH (nutropin)? I'm sorry if I'm making you re-type your self, my attention span is not long enough to read a 55 posts.
    Short stature from 17 years of glucocorticosteroids

  9. Quote Originally Posted by bomcgraw View Post
    Thanks a ton!
    Yeah no problem ! I know you get some answers now ... sometimes getting the right lead stops the chase .
    Good luck keep me posted !

  10. Jesus Christ....I got much dumber reading this thread

  11. Quote Originally Posted by D3Baseball View Post
    Jesus Christ....I got much dumber reading this thread
    What did Jesus do to you?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green
    What did Jesus do to you?
    Died for his sins.


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  13. Quote Originally Posted by wtmdcg91

    Yeah no problem ! I know you get some answers now ... sometimes getting the right lead stops the chase .
    Good luck keep me posted !
    Well the price of the tests directly from ZRT is out of my range but I found a couple of doctors not too far off that offer it and they take Tricare so maybe I can get it free lol.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by D3Baseball View Post
    Jesus Christ....I got much dumber reading this thread
    Maybe cause you dumb to begin with??? just saying!!!
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