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Any thoughts on this? I've been taking it for about 60 days...
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When will the study be finished?My doctoral dissertation is investigating the effects of betaine on strength, power, and body composition in trained men. I can tell you just about anything you'd like to know about betaine with the exception of the outcome of the study (its still going on) about betaine.
Br
Data collection will be completed in the next 2 weeks (it is a 6 week trial period), then statistical analysis and dicussion of results will be completed by mid July.When will the study be finished?
Definitely conflicting results with regards to strength and power gains. Only 1-2 studies looking at its effects on body comp in humans, and neither of those were on trained subjects or employed exercise.Data is mixed, but studies published in the JISSN over the past 2 years show ergogenic effects.
Betaine works in part by building up in the tissues, so you should take it every day. It isn't really going to have any significant affects (compared to a stimulant, or post-workout supplement) if taken pre,post, etc. My subjects are taking 1.25g twice per day at breakfast and dinner. Consuming it with food doesn't affect absorbance.So i only dose on days I work out 2grm pre and 2 post.. What do you recommend??
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Is tmg a specific form of betaine or would any betaine supp be the same?I find it fairly cheap I use now sports tmg think ill start dosing 4 grms a day 2 morning and 2 evening.. See how that works thanks for all your help ill rep you when I get on my lap top! Cheers
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Got it, thanksn-n-n-methyl-glycine (TMG) is the chemical name for betaine. TMG was discovered in the late 1800's in sugar beets and named betaine.
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Is it true that betaine helps your body produce its own source of creatineMy doctoral dissertation is investigating the effects of betaine on strength, power, and body composition in trained men. I can tell you just about anything you'd like to know about betaine with the exception of the outcome of the study (its still going on) about betaine.
Br
Excellent question. We should preface this by saying that your body does already produce creatine.Is it true that betaine helps your body produce its own source of creatine
Sounds like I should be taking thisExcellent question. We should preface this by saying that your body does already produce creatine.
In simple terms, it goes like this:
Guanidinoacetate is formed in the kidneys form glycine and arginine. GAA is then transported to the liver, where it is methylated (a methyl group is removed from S-adenosylmethionine (SAM) )to form creatine. The creatine is then released into the blood and taken up by muscles.
Betaine contains 3 methyl groups (hence the n-n-n-glycine). In methylation metabolism, betaine donates a methyl group (becoming dimethylglycine: DMG) to methionine forming SAM.
So, by increasing SAM it was thought that betaine may improve creatine biosynthesis leading to additional creatine in the muscles. This was true in animals; however, in a recent study it was found not to happen in humans. Now, these humans were untrained and not given an exercise program, so additional creatine synthesis may not have been needed. It would be interesting to see if betaine improves creatine in athletes who train using the CP system (i.e.: heavy weight training, short sprints with full recovery).
That said, increasing methylation potential may improve hypertrophy and strength in a number of other ways that I mentioned as benefits to betaine.
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How goes it?My doctoral dissertation is investigating the effects of betaine on strength, power, and body composition in trained men. I can tell you just about anything you'd like to know about betaine with the exception of the outcome of the study (its still going on) about betaine.
Br
hm.. use it everyday for liver health.. but that is good to no if its true!TMG (betaine) is an excellent add-on to DAA to increase its effectiveness because it can serve as a methyl donor.
Will your dissertation be put online after you are finished? At the university where I graduated all dissertations are made available for download as protected PDF files.I'm presenting the dissertation study Tuesday August 21st (9:30 am) at Springfield College (MA) if anyone is interested in getting more info or a quick tour of the facilities.
Br
I'm not sure if Springfield does that. I'll find out. I will be submitting it for publication after the defense.Will your dissertation be put online after you are finished? At the university where I graduated all dissertations are made available for download as protected PDF files.
Hmm.. interesting.Just a quick update with regards to the betaine study.
We saw some pretty impressive improvements in body composition and increases in upper arm muscle mass and improved upper body training volume with betaine.
I'm presenting the dissertation study Tuesday August 21st (9:30 am) at Springfield College (MA) if anyone is interested in getting more info or a quick tour of the facilities.
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So, we can find it through PubMed sooner or later if your manuscripts gets accepted, right? Do you already know where you want to submit it to, I mean which journal?I'm not sure if Springfield does that. I'll find out. I will be submitting it for publication after the defense.
Yes, that's correct. I have a pretty good relationship with ACSM's journal Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise. So I will submit it there first.So, we can find it through PubMed sooner or later if your manuscripts gets accepted, right? Do you already know where you want to submit it to, I mean which journal?
Likely no effect, but should be positive if anything.What about TMG's effects on mood? Any negative sides noted there?
I think smart powders has it in bulk.I was going to buy some more TMG before reading this thread, but this makes me want to buy it even more. I wish nutra had like a 500g bulk powder tub of it.
I think smart powders has it in bulk.
To anyone purchasing betaine, make sure you get the anhydrous and not the HCL.
Br
Is this the right kind? http://m.vitacost.com/vitacost-tmg-trimethylglycine-betaine-anhydrousBetaine HCL is for low stomach acid and too much would have a negative effect on your health (stomach).
TMG (betaine anhydrous) is not the same as betaine HCL
Yes, see anhydrousIs this the right kind? http://m.vitacost.com/vitacost-tmg-trimethylglycine-betaine-anhydrous
The question is why are you trying to control or lower homocysteine? Do you have homocysteinemia (elevated Hcy levels)?Can you please provide your opinion on the other supplements one should take w/ TMG to control homocystein? What are your thoughts on adding supplemental methionine?
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