Second time trying Anabeta + a few extras. All advice and input is appreciated!

Page 3 of 4 First 1234 Last
  1. Registered User
    tyrub42's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  187 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Taiwan
    Posts
    1,074
    Rep Power
    248062

    Sorry, double post. Bamski, I am taking Maximize V2 (best PWO I have ever tried and I have tried a lot...Never tried the newer version of it, but I have some waiting for me whenever this runs out). Wedding pics tomorrow...hopefully it doesn't rain too much!
    Last edited by tyrub42; 06-26-2012 at 10:57 AM. Reason: double post

  2. Registered User
    kevinhy's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  210 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    3,059
    Rep Power
    290729

    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    Nattydisaster, you are probably the man with the most information on peoples reactions to AB, has insomnia been reported if the last dose of the day is close to bedtime?Tyler
    Never ever heard insomnia reported from Anabeta, perhaps something else is going on.
    PES - PM me anytime for any questions
    "Like" us on Facebook
    Subscribe to the PES Newsletter for all Specials and Announcements
  3. Registered User
    Bamski's Avatar
    Stats
    6'4"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    884
    Rep Power
    513833

    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42
    Sorry, double post. Bamski, I am taking Maximize V2 (best PWO I have ever tried and I have tried a lot...Never tried the newer version of it, but I have some waiting for me whenever this runs out). Wedding pics tomorrow...hopefully it doesn't rain too much!
    Ahhh, I've wanted to try that preWO, but I do see the DMAA, that could be causing the tolerance especially 3x a week for a year haha, maybe that could be the verdict in the minor insomnia?

    EDIT: do you drink coffee? If so, do you get/feel more energy with coffee than your PreWO? That also could be a sign. It's a sad day when I realize I have minor tolerance
    •   
       

  4. PESCIENCE.com
    Board Sponsor
    nattydisaster's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  0 lbs.
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    10,080
    Rep Power
    3164581

    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    Well I have had crazy insomnia for the past week, despite being on a huge sleep deficit. I usually go to sleep within 6 hours of taking my preworkout. My remedy for this is a half pill of generic benedryl (same sleep aid as tylenol PM, but much cheaper generic and without extra drugs that I don't need) and a half pill of either alprazolam (xanax) of estazolam (short-acting benzo hypnotic). I take this Monday, Wednesday, and sometimes Sunday (if I need help getting to sleep that night). Recently, I have still been taking up throughout the night an unable to get really good, deep sleep. I thought it was all the extra stress I have been under, but then I read a review of Anabeta that warned not to take the last dose too close to bed time, as it caused insomnia for that user. I have been taking my last dose within an hour of bedtime. Could this be the reason why I can't sleep??? I can't explain how much of an idiot I feel like for not at least thinking about this before now. What do you guys think?

    Nattydisaster, you are probably the man with the most information on peoples reactions to AB, has insomnia been reported if the last dose of the day is close to bedtime?

    Tonight, I can't afford to lose more sleep, so I will pop a full 2 mg pill of estazolam and my last dose of AB will be before Bjj instead of after. If I still can't sleep after that, I have some serious problems! Now I am off to the gym. I took 2 AB and a pslin with my PWO shake (oats whey banana), and despite the fact that I felt like I was about to collapse 90 minutes ago, I am feeling incredibly energized right now (how the f*#k did I never consider did I not make the connection between my late-night AB dosing and my insomnia..."Why can't I sleep at night. What could be going on. I am taking that supplement that gets me amped up right before sleep, but I don't see any possible connection there." ...

    Best,
    Tyler
    I havent heard any reports...try taking it not as close to bed time
    Amino-IV - Not Your Average Amino
    SELECT Protein
    - Ultra-Premium Blend
    ALPHAMINE - Thermogenics...Redefined
  5. Registered User
    tyrub42's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  187 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Taiwan
    Posts
    1,074
    Rep Power
    248062

    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    I havent heard any reports...try taking it not as close to bed time
    Taking the last dose further from bedtime solved the problem. Could have been coincidence, but I am just happy to be able to sleep again
  6. Registered User
    tyrub42's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  187 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Taiwan
    Posts
    1,074
    Rep Power
    248062

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    Never ever heard insomnia reported from Anabeta, perhaps something else is going on.
    Yeah I only saw it from one review, but I figured it was worth a try to keep the last dose further from bedtime. It could have been a synergy of the AB with something in my PWO, or just a coincidence, but dosing further from bedtime did allow me to sleep well again.
  7. Registered User
    tyrub42's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  187 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Taiwan
    Posts
    1,074
    Rep Power
    248062

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    Ahhh, I've wanted to try that preWO, but I do see the DMAA, that could be causing the tolerance especially 3x a week for a year haha, maybe that could be the verdict in the minor insomnia?

    EDIT: do you drink coffee? If so, do you get/feel more energy with coffee than your PreWO? That also could be a sign. It's a sad day when I realize I have minor tolerance
    Yeah it is a good one. If they still have any left where you buy supps (I use Nutraplanet), I would recommend trying it before DMAA is gone forever (unless you don't like DMAA, in which case don't try it haha).

    I don't drink coffee or take in any stims except a fraction of a dose of the Maximize, so I can't say whether the effect is stronger. I actually was using some sample packets that I got with a NP order for almost a year before cracking the tub I bought, since one sample packet lasted me like 6 or 8 workouts. Now that I think about it, I usually take a week off every few weeks, so maybe it is just a bit of a tolerance.

    I don't think that is the cause of the insomnia, though, because it has never caused it before, but it could have been a combo of that and the AB or something else. There is no way to tell, but I can sleep again, which is the most important thing.
  8. Registered User
    tyrub42's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  187 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Taiwan
    Posts
    1,074
    Rep Power
    248062

    Well, wedding pics are finished. It took about 14 hours from the time we left home today to the time we got back, and i spent the hottest hours of the day in a tuxedo in the sun (95 degrees today), but I am sure they will look great, as my fiancee could make pretty much any pic look good (even if I am in there, gooning it up!).

    I couldn't get to the gym today, or course, and will be spending tomorrow doing the same thing I did yesterday: moving furniture into my new house and packing...so I might not get to the gym again befor my AB runs out on Friday. Either way, I am down to about 82KG (possibly less), my lifts are all up, I feel great, even being this worn down, and I took some before/after pics (terrible lighting, but you can still see a difference). I will write up a formal final review and post those pics (as long as it is easy enough to do) around Friday. Time for some sleep; I earned it! Goodnight everybody!

    Best,
    Tyler
  9. Registered User
    Bamski's Avatar
    Stats
    6'4"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    884
    Rep Power
    513833

    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42

    Yeah it is a good one. If they still have any left where you buy supps (I use Nutraplanet), I would recommend trying it before DMAA is gone forever (unless you don't like DMAA, in which case don't try it haha).

    I don't drink coffee or take in any stims except a fraction of a dose of the Maximize, so I can't say whether the effect is stronger. I actually was using some sample packets that I got with a NP order for almost a year before cracking the tub I bought, since one sample packet lasted me like 6 or 8 workouts. Now that I think about it, I usually take a week off every few weeks, so maybe it is just a bit of a tolerance.

    I don't think that is the cause of the insomnia, though, because it has never caused it before, but it could have been a combo of that and the AB or something else. There is no way to tell, but I can sleep again, which is the most important thing.
    Oh well now that you made it clear definitely not haha, but seems like you handled it with the PES reps!
  10. Registered User
    tyrub42's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  187 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Taiwan
    Posts
    1,074
    Rep Power
    248062

    Dude, I gotta ask what exactly is in your av. Some kind of pesto ricotta pizza? I don't even know for sure what it is and it makes me hungry whenever I see it!
  11. Registered User
    Bamski's Avatar
    Stats
    6'4"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    884
    Rep Power
    513833

    Haha damn, you know your food pesto/basil (around in a circle), enriched organic wheat flour, organic tomato sauce, with mozzarella (low fat), and nah it's burrata ( mozzarella and cream). Super good and actually filling, sorta low cal depending on what type of ingredient you use.
  12. Registered User
    BPjohn123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Canada
    Age
    30
    Posts
    6,946
    Rep Power
    7007821

    Mmm pizza
    PES REPRESENTATIVE
    pescience.com
    http://pescience.com/insider
  13. Registered User
    Bamski's Avatar
    Stats
    6'4"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    884
    Rep Power
    513833

    Yessir!! Delicious people need to eat more food! So I have some pizza in my avi
  14. Registered User
    tyrub42's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  187 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Taiwan
    Posts
    1,074
    Rep Power
    248062

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    Yessir!! Delicious people need to eat more food! So I have some pizza in my avi
    Well, now that you changed your av, that conversation makes us look like crazy people, haha
  15. Registered User
    tyrub42's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  187 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Taiwan
    Posts
    1,074
    Rep Power
    248062

    OK I have moved into my new place and I am ready to do my final review of this Anabeta run:

    First of all, as you could all see, I was able to drop 3 kgs in 4 weeks. This would not normally be anything to write home about, but I managed to drop that much weight while setting personal bests on several different exercises, as well as going up at least 10-15% on every exercise, compared to what I was doing before I started the AB run. I had doubts at the beginning as to whether or not AB could be used successfully for recomp, but obviously it can. Some other highlights:

    -I felt the AB kick in quickly. Within a day or two, I was feeling stronger, and by the end of the first week, I felt it in full force.
    -I kept feeling it strongly for the full run.
    -I was able to eat more carbs than I normally would while losing weight. It seems like AB has great nutrient repartitioning qualities.
    -I felt much more aggressive than usual.
    -No real increased hunger for me, or at least no unusual cravings for junk food while I was dieting. I did feel hungry, but I am always hungry anyway, so I was thankful that I wasn't craving food (especially sweets) 24/7
    -Extremely noticeable increase in muscle definition and vascularity, especially in my arms and back.
    -I think my arms actually got bigger (not just more cut) even though I was losing weight. My back also feels and looks bigger and thicker than it did at the beginning of the AB run.
    -If I took two AB before I lifted, I felt like an Animal when I got to the gym. Adding Pslin to this mix intensified it even more!

    Now for anything that was negative, or at least worth noting:

    -My sleep was disrupted if I took my last AB dose close to bedtime. It is worth noting that this is apparently not a common side effect of AB. I was also taking several other supplements, including a PWO with a lot of stims in it. That never caused the same kind of sleep disruption, but there could have been a synergistic effect. Either way, I would advise everyone to pay attention to their sleep quality and dose AB further from bedtime if they feel that sleep is affected.
    -I had a bit of acne on my back, but it also got much hotter in a very humid country while I was taking the AB, so this might not have been anything to do with the AB.
    -As many people have noted, you need to get enough carbs while taking AB. If you don't, you may start to feel a bit woozy and irritable, which is what happens to me. You don't need carbs with every pill, but if you go too long without eating any, you may start to feel like that. On the plus side, it seems like carbs really help you feel the effects of AB, and the AB seems to have nutrient repartitioning qualities (at least in me) so you can take in more carbs without getting fat (within reason).

    Overall, I was VERY happy with AB's usefulness for recomp, and would recommend it to everyone. Some ideas that I would love to try for the future include:

    -Running 2 bottles at 6 caps/day
    -Trying AB elite
    -Running AB with a full 30 pill run of pslin ( I found the few pills I had left halfway through and didn't take it every day), as the synergy there was awesome.

    I have some before/after pictures taken in reeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad lighting. I will post them later on tonight when my fiancee gets back with her cell phone (yeah...they are bad lighting pics from a cell phone...sorry).

    Best,
    Tyler
  16. Registered User
    Bamski's Avatar
    Stats
    6'4"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    884
    Rep Power
    513833

    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    OK I have moved into my new place and I am ready to do my final review of this Anabeta run:

    First of all, as you could all see, I was able to drop 3 kgs in 4 weeks. This would not normally be anything to write home about, but I managed to drop that much weight while setting personal bests on several different exercises, as well as going up at least 10-15% on every exercise, compared to what I was doing before I started the AB run. I had doubts at the beginning as to whether or not AB could be used successfully for recomp, but obviously it can. Some other highlights:

    -I felt the AB kick in quickly. Within a day or two, I was feeling stronger, and by the end of the first week, I felt it in full force.
    -I kept feeling it strongly for the full run.
    -I was able to eat more carbs than I normally would while losing weight. It seems like AB has great nutrient repartitioning qualities.
    -I felt much more aggressive than usual.
    -No real increased hunger for me, or at least no unusual cravings for junk food while I was dieting. I did feel hungry, but I am always hungry anyway, so I was thankful that I wasn't craving food (especially sweets) 24/7
    -Extremely noticeable increase in muscle definition and vascularity, especially in my arms and back.
    -I think my arms actually got bigger (not just more cut) even though I was losing weight. My back also feels and looks bigger and thicker than it did at the beginning of the AB run.
    -If I took two AB before I lifted, I felt like an Animal when I got to the gym. Adding Pslin to this mix intensified it even more!

    Now for anything that was negative, or at least worth noting:

    -My sleep was disrupted if I took my last AB dose close to bedtime. It is worth noting that this is apparently not a common side effect of AB. I was also taking several other supplements, including a PWO with a lot of stims in it. That never caused the same kind of sleep disruption, but there could have been a synergistic effect. Either way, I would advise everyone to pay attention to their sleep quality and dose AB further from bedtime if they feel that sleep is affected.
    -I had a bit of acne on my back, but it also got much hotter in a very humid country while I was taking the AB, so this might not have been anything to do with the AB.
    -As many people have noted, you need to get enough carbs while taking AB. If you don't, you may start to feel a bit woozy and irritable, which is what happens to me. You don't need carbs with every pill, but if you go too long without eating any, you may start to feel like that. On the plus side, it seems like carbs really help you feel the effects of AB, and the AB seems to have nutrient repartitioning qualities (at least in me) so you can take in more carbs without getting fat (within reason).

    Overall, I was VERY happy with AB's usefulness for recomp, and would recommend it to everyone. Some ideas that I would love to try for the future include:

    -Running 2 bottles at 6 caps/day
    -Trying AB elite
    -Running AB with a full 30 pill run of pslin ( I found the few pills I had left halfway through and didn't take it every day), as the synergy there was awesome.

    I have some before/after pictures taken in reeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad lighting. I will post them later on tonight when my fiancee gets back with her cell phone (yeah...they are bad lighting pics from a cell phone...sorry).

    Best,
    Tyler
    Nice review man, im happy that you got the results that you were looking for. Especially during the last week with wedding/moving. If your thinking about running that stack or trying ABE, should definitely give erase or erase pro stacked with it! I've done both solo and still had my expectations met or even exceeded.

    Note: if you liked the original version of anabeta or still want to stay away from an AI, theres a pretty sweet sale going on at NP for the original anabeta, super cheap... well, compared to what i payed for when it first came out

    Lets see those before/after pictures!

    Note: NOT a rep, just helping out a fellow gym/AM member, gotta save that cash moneyy.
  17. Registered User
    kevinhy's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  210 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    3,059
    Rep Power
    290729

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    Nice review man, im happy that you got the results that you were looking for. Especially during the last week with wedding/moving. If your thinking about running that stack or trying ABE, should definitely give erase or erase pro stacked with it! I've done both solo and still had my expectations met or even exceeded.

    Note: if you liked the original version of anabeta or still want to stay away from an AI, theres a pretty sweet sale going on at NP for the original anabeta, super cheap... well, compared to what i payed for when it first came out

    Lets see those before/after pictures!

    Note: NOT a rep, just helping out a fellow gym/AM member, gotta save that cash moneyy.
    The sale was created with you in mind!!
    PES - PM me anytime for any questions
    "Like" us on Facebook
    Subscribe to the PES Newsletter for all Specials and Announcements
  18. Registered User
    Bamski's Avatar
    Stats
    6'4"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    884
    Rep Power
    513833

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy

    The sale was created with you in mind!!
    Awww, shucks don't make me blush! But with all the anabeta logs going around, makes me want to log me the other OG bottle I bought way back in the day, when it first came out. But that sale made me happy inside! Thinking about running 6 but at 4, the hunger was the only side effect haha
  19. Registered User
    tyrub42's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  187 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Taiwan
    Posts
    1,074
    Rep Power
    248062

    OK I just tried to post the pics, but they are too big and are "unable to be resized" so I will have to do so manually. Does anyone know how to do that?
  20. Registered User
    kevinhy's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  210 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    3,059
    Rep Power
    290729

    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    OK I just tried to post the pics, but they are too big and are "unable to be resized" so I will have to do so manually. Does anyone know how to do that?
    Upload to tiny pic and put the link into the image button on the box in the forum
    PES - PM me anytime for any questions
    "Like" us on Facebook
    Subscribe to the PES Newsletter for all Specials and Announcements
  21. Registered User
    Bamski's Avatar
    Stats
    6'4"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    884
    Rep Power
    513833

    Photobucket, imgshack are good ones. You can resize them to the desired size. Once your done just copy the link to the picture and then use [.IMG]url to picture[./IMG]

    Remove the periods lol
  22. Registered User
    Bamski's Avatar
    Stats
    6'4"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    884
    Rep Power
    513833

    Damn! Beat me to it!
  23. Registered User
    tyrub42's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  187 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Taiwan
    Posts
    1,074
    Rep Power
    248062

    Hey I tried but did not have any luck posting these. This is probably the time to mention that I am embarassingly slow to learn anything new having to do with computers. My bad. Anyway I did move them to photobucket and resized them. Here are the links:

    Before album:
    http://s1056.photobucket.com/albums/t371/tyrub42/

    After album
    http://s1056.photobucket.com/albums/.../after%20pics/


    Again, the lighting in my old place was piss poor, so it is hard to see how drastic the changes to the way I look were. I took a few of me flexing to try to show the difference in body fat and muscle definition, but they all still look pretty bad. I think the biggest lesson to learn for next time is to use a real camera in good lighting.

    Also excuse my hair in the after pics. I took them after coming home from taking my wedding pics.

    All pics were taken on non-training days with no "pump" at the end of the day to keep everything even.

    One of my shoulders generally hangs a bit lower than the other, which is why I don't look symmetrical (I've always been that way).

    Sorry again for the lighting and pic quality.

    Best,
    Tyler
  24. Registered User
    Bamski's Avatar
    Stats
    6'4"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    884
    Rep Power
    513833


    Here ya go man!


    BEFORE PICS:



    Name:  1.jpg
Views: 134
Size:  70.1 KB


    Name:  2.jpg
Views: 134
Size:  64.2 KB

    Name:  4.jpg
Views: 132
Size:  79.5 KB

    Name:  3-1.jpg
Views: 134
Size:  44.9 KB

    AFTER PICS:




  25. Registered User
    Bamski's Avatar
    Stats
    6'4"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    884
    Rep Power
    513833

    Dude, great transformation! I see more striated muscle in the abdominal area, delts, and back. I can see the body far reduction as clear as day. I see that you gained some size as well. Overall, i hope your happy with the run!
  26. Registered User
    tyrub42's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  187 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Taiwan
    Posts
    1,074
    Rep Power
    248062

    SUPER happy with the run...not so happy with the picture quality haha. I honestly had high expectations based on the fact that i knew I responded well to AB, and it still exceeded my expectations. Thanks so much Bamski, Nattydisaster, and to everyone else who has been following. This was my first log, and I have to say it really helped me keep my diet and workouts more disciplined knowing that other people were following my progress. Thanks for all the support! I will definitely be logging again in the future!

    Best,
    Tyler
  27. Registered User
    BPjohn123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Canada
    Age
    30
    Posts
    6,946
    Rep Power
    7007821

    Awesome job Tyler! Great results!
    PES REPRESENTATIVE
    pescience.com
    http://pescience.com/insider
  28. Registered User
    tyrub42's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  187 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Taiwan
    Posts
    1,074
    Rep Power
    248062

    OK guys I know this log is closed, but just a quick update on results. None of my gains or losses have seemed to go away yet. Although I really let my diet go (drinking a bit and eating terribly) for a few weeks, and also slacked off pretty hard in the gym, when I returned last week, my strength was still about the same as it was at the end of the AB run. My weight was also not bad, only going up to 82.5KG. I feel like, if anything, there was some residual effect from the AB helping me keep fat off better than usual (could have just been in my head though). I don't have the same intensity in the gym anymore, nor do I have any heightened aggression, but I think that is to be expected as I am several weeks out from my run. Anyway, just thought I would give this update to let you know that the gains and losses I had on AB seem to be permanent. Thanks again to all of you. See you in the next log!
  29. Registered User
    Bamski's Avatar
    Stats
    6'4"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    884
    Rep Power
    513833

    Nice follow-up bro! Until next time
  30. Registered User
    kevinhy's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  210 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    3,059
    Rep Power
    290729

    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    OK guys I know this log is closed, but just a quick update on results. None of my gains or losses have seemed to go away yet. Although I really let my diet go (drinking a bit and eating terribly) for a few weeks, and also slacked off pretty hard in the gym, when I returned last week, my strength was still about the same as it was at the end of the AB run. My weight was also not bad, only going up to 82.5KG. I feel like, if anything, there was some residual effect from the AB helping me keep fat off better than usual (could have just been in my head though). I don't have the same intensity in the gym anymore, nor do I have any heightened aggression, but I think that is to be expected as I am several weeks out from my run. Anyway, just thought I would give this update to let you know that the gains and losses I had on AB seem to be permanent. Thanks again to all of you. See you in the next log!

    Solid bro, I think the most noticeable difference can be seen in the back double biceps pictures. Back & arms look much thicker & you appear as though you've leaned out.
    PES - PM me anytime for any questions
    "Like" us on Facebook
    Subscribe to the PES Newsletter for all Specials and Announcements
  •   

      
     

Similar Forum Threads

  1. Replies: 458
    Last Post: 06-19-2012, 03:45 PM
  2. First Cycle - Input appreciated!
    By Harry Seaward in forum Cycle Info
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 02-17-2012, 01:12 PM
  3. new cycle...input appreciated
    By JTwitch in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 05-12-2010, 10:40 PM
  4. Need advice on cycle extras!
    By stuckinatent in forum Cycle Info
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 09-30-2007, 09:40 AM
  5. Possible first cycle, input appreciated
    By brogers in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 07-25-2005, 07:00 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Log in

Log in