Second time trying Anabeta + a few extras. All advice and input is appreciated!

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  1. Haha im the exact same way with my carbs. I eat about 80-100g of carbs in the morning since i read somewhere and also my nutrition professor said thats where we're the most sensitive to carbs. Then we become more tolerate as the day goes by. So i have basically have done exactly what you have decided to do, and eat big carbs in morning and taper throughout the day, but i try to get atleast 50-75g immediately post workout, with 25-50g of simple carbs (fruit), and then the other 25g with some sort of protein/fat to slow the absorption. Idk im not an expert on this type of stuff, but thats what my major is, becoming a registered dietian w/ another major in microbiology. Took me like a year and a half to figure out that my body was on the binge for carbs! Just my 2 cents! Hopefully the AB won't treat you as bad as it did with me. I was drooling at ice cream, cookies, candy...etc. lol

    Go kill it in the gym today and hopefully you feel better.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    Haha im the exact same way with my carbs. I eat about 80-100g of carbs in the morning since i read somewhere and also my nutrition professor said thats where we're the most sensitive to carbs. Then we become more tolerate as the day goes by. So i have basically have done exactly what you have decided to do, and eat big carbs in morning and taper throughout the day, but i try to get atleast 50-75g immediately post workout, with 25-50g of simple carbs (fruit), and then the other 25g with some sort of protein/fat to slow the absorption. Idk im not an expert on this type of stuff, but thats what my major is, becoming a registered dietian w/ another major in microbiology. Took me like a year and a half to figure out that my body was on the binge for carbs! Just my 2 cents! Hopefully the AB won't treat you as bad as it did with me. I was drooling at ice cream, cookies, candy...etc. lol

    Go kill it in the gym today and hopefully you feel better.
    Haha, that sounds like how I am even without the Anabeta. My sweet tooth is...rediculous. I honestly don't feel like I have had any unusual cravings on AB, but I get cravings for carbs and sweets whenever I am watching my diet, so I am very happy that they aren't intensified now. BTW I would consider you an expert (or pretty close) if you are studying this as a major right now, so thanks a lot for your input. Most of my dietary techniques are based on trial and error (and google), so it's good to have input from a professional (or soon-to-be professional).

    Best,
    Tyler
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  3. Haha well I appreciate the compliment but I do base my suggestions on what I have done in my experience. I went to a nutritionist about 3 years ago and that's when I started my path on the nutrition/micro. Still in the works but I'm always down to try to help based on MY experience . Anyways I practically started off what you were doing, reading articles, trying certain diets and then that's when I went into nutrition at college and that has definitely broadened my view on nutrition/health. But again, I'm no expert, don't have my degree yet, but I'm always down to help to the best of my ability!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42

    Daaaaaaaaaaaaamn dude, 7 lbs already? How long have you been running it? Any noticable fat gain/loss just from looks? How would you compare ABE to regular AB? Keep me posted on the 8 pills/day...sounds like it could be INTENSE!
    That was 7lbs in a month but to be fair I quit doing crossfit and two a days so I may have been rebounding from that. Fat mass stayed close to the same might have lost a little but I was eating everything!! Hoping 8 a day puts a few more lb's on me by the end of June.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by d1sc1ple View Post
    That was 7lbs in a month but to be fair I quit doing crossfit and two a days so I may have been rebounding from that. Fat mass stayed close to the same might have lost a little but I was eating everything!! Hoping 8 a day puts a few more lb's on me by the end of June.
    Nice, please update on the results when your run has finished.
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  6. Well I have had crazy insomnia for the past week, despite being on a huge sleep deficit. I usually go to sleep within 6 hours of taking my preworkout. My remedy for this is a half pill of generic benedryl (same sleep aid as tylenol PM, but much cheaper generic and without extra drugs that I don't need) and a half pill of either alprazolam (xanax) of estazolam (short-acting benzo hypnotic). I take this Monday, Wednesday, and sometimes Sunday (if I need help getting to sleep that night). Recently, I have still been taking up throughout the night an unable to get really good, deep sleep. I thought it was all the extra stress I have been under, but then I read a review of Anabeta that warned not to take the last dose too close to bed time, as it caused insomnia for that user. I have been taking my last dose within an hour of bedtime. Could this be the reason why I can't sleep??? I can't explain how much of an idiot I feel like for not at least thinking about this before now. What do you guys think?

    Nattydisaster, you are probably the man with the most information on peoples reactions to AB, has insomnia been reported if the last dose of the day is close to bedtime?

    Tonight, I can't afford to lose more sleep, so I will pop a full 2 mg pill of estazolam and my last dose of AB will be before Bjj instead of after. If I still can't sleep after that, I have some serious problems! Now I am off to the gym. I took 2 AB and a pslin with my PWO shake (oats whey banana), and despite the fact that I felt like I was about to collapse 90 minutes ago, I am feeling incredibly energized right now (how the f*#k did I never consider did I not make the connection between my late-night AB dosing and my insomnia..."Why can't I sleep at night. What could be going on. I am taking that supplement that gets me amped up right before sleep, but I don't see any possible connection there." ...

    Best,
    Tyler

  7. OK guys I am going to try to make this one shorter and just keep to the most important points.

    Yesterday's workout (after the crazy insomnia):

    Despite feeling terrible and a bit sick from the bouts of insomnia, once I was in the gym, I was in the zone. Cardio was slow to get started but by the time it was over, I was set to tear it up. I set two personal bests. Bent over rows: 225 x 2 (just barely missed the third). I was only able to get one after resting for 2 min and trying it again (almost got the second one up, but couldn't get it all the way). Chainsaws 90 x 12 and then 100 x 8. After 2 min of rest, was able to get 100 x 8 a second time, and then end with 90 x 12 a second time. Pulldowns and biceps were also great, but I don't keep close track of my progress with those.

    Today I only had an hour to do cardio and legs. My lower back was a bit sore, so I decided not to do anything that would strain it much. Did squat press and quad extentions. It was an ok workout but I wish I had more time.

    My weight is down to 82.3 KG today, putting me down over 5 lbs so far while setting personal bests on several exercises. Booyah!

    Best,
    Tyler

  8. Nice, i see AB is starting to kick in! 2 PRs? Congratz man. Keep up the good work!

  9. Another good workout today, but sadly still no time for bjj with all the moving stuff. On the bright side, our new apartment is killer! Anyway, did a pushing day today. No Personal Bests or anything, but still got a great workout in. Oddly enough I feel like the PWO I am taking is not affecting me as much as it used to. This is only weird because I have taken it 3 times a week for the past year with no tolerance ever, and haven't changed the dosing or anything. Not sure what the deal is with that, but maybe I am just less jittery than I thought I would be. My weight today is 82.5. It's pretty good, since I weighed myself after drinking about a gallon of water today, eating 2 meals, etc. I am hoping to be closer to 82 by Friday. Anyway, still feeling good and going strong. The sleep problem seems to have been solved by taking my last dose earlier.

    Best,
    Tyler

  10. Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    Another good workout today, but sadly still no time for bjj with all the moving stuff. On the bright side, our new apartment is killer! Anyway, did a pushing day today. No Personal Bests or anything, but still got a great workout in. Oddly enough I feel like the PWO I am taking is not affecting me as much as it used to. This is only weird because I have taken it 3 times a week for the past year with no tolerance ever, and haven't changed the dosing or anything. Not sure what the deal is with that, but maybe I am just less jittery than I thought I would be. My weight today is 82.5. It's pretty good, since I weighed myself after drinking about a gallon of water today, eating 2 meals, etc. I am hoping to be closer to 82 by Friday. Anyway, still feeling good and going strong. The sleep problem seems to have been solved by taking my last dose earlier.

    Best,
    Tyler
    Glad to hear that sleep is being mitigated! haha 3x a week for a year could possibly result in tolerance What PreWO are you taking if you dont mind me asking?

    So far everything seems to be going great for you, im here till the end man!

  11. Sorry, double post. Bamski, I am taking Maximize V2 (best PWO I have ever tried and I have tried a lot...Never tried the newer version of it, but I have some waiting for me whenever this runs out). Wedding pics tomorrow...hopefully it doesn't rain too much!
    Last edited by tyrub42; 06-26-2012 at 11:57 AM. Reason: double post

  12. Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    Nattydisaster, you are probably the man with the most information on peoples reactions to AB, has insomnia been reported if the last dose of the day is close to bedtime?Tyler
    Never ever heard insomnia reported from Anabeta, perhaps something else is going on.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42
    Sorry, double post. Bamski, I am taking Maximize V2 (best PWO I have ever tried and I have tried a lot...Never tried the newer version of it, but I have some waiting for me whenever this runs out). Wedding pics tomorrow...hopefully it doesn't rain too much!
    Ahhh, I've wanted to try that preWO, but I do see the DMAA, that could be causing the tolerance especially 3x a week for a year haha, maybe that could be the verdict in the minor insomnia?

    EDIT: do you drink coffee? If so, do you get/feel more energy with coffee than your PreWO? That also could be a sign. It's a sad day when I realize I have minor tolerance

  14. Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    Well I have had crazy insomnia for the past week, despite being on a huge sleep deficit. I usually go to sleep within 6 hours of taking my preworkout. My remedy for this is a half pill of generic benedryl (same sleep aid as tylenol PM, but much cheaper generic and without extra drugs that I don't need) and a half pill of either alprazolam (xanax) of estazolam (short-acting benzo hypnotic). I take this Monday, Wednesday, and sometimes Sunday (if I need help getting to sleep that night). Recently, I have still been taking up throughout the night an unable to get really good, deep sleep. I thought it was all the extra stress I have been under, but then I read a review of Anabeta that warned not to take the last dose too close to bed time, as it caused insomnia for that user. I have been taking my last dose within an hour of bedtime. Could this be the reason why I can't sleep??? I can't explain how much of an idiot I feel like for not at least thinking about this before now. What do you guys think?

    Nattydisaster, you are probably the man with the most information on peoples reactions to AB, has insomnia been reported if the last dose of the day is close to bedtime?

    Tonight, I can't afford to lose more sleep, so I will pop a full 2 mg pill of estazolam and my last dose of AB will be before Bjj instead of after. If I still can't sleep after that, I have some serious problems! Now I am off to the gym. I took 2 AB and a pslin with my PWO shake (oats whey banana), and despite the fact that I felt like I was about to collapse 90 minutes ago, I am feeling incredibly energized right now (how the f*#k did I never consider did I not make the connection between my late-night AB dosing and my insomnia..."Why can't I sleep at night. What could be going on. I am taking that supplement that gets me amped up right before sleep, but I don't see any possible connection there." ...

    Best,
    Tyler
    I havent heard any reports...try taking it not as close to bed time
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    I havent heard any reports...try taking it not as close to bed time
    Taking the last dose further from bedtime solved the problem. Could have been coincidence, but I am just happy to be able to sleep again

  16. Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    Never ever heard insomnia reported from Anabeta, perhaps something else is going on.
    Yeah I only saw it from one review, but I figured it was worth a try to keep the last dose further from bedtime. It could have been a synergy of the AB with something in my PWO, or just a coincidence, but dosing further from bedtime did allow me to sleep well again.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    Ahhh, I've wanted to try that preWO, but I do see the DMAA, that could be causing the tolerance especially 3x a week for a year haha, maybe that could be the verdict in the minor insomnia?

    EDIT: do you drink coffee? If so, do you get/feel more energy with coffee than your PreWO? That also could be a sign. It's a sad day when I realize I have minor tolerance
    Yeah it is a good one. If they still have any left where you buy supps (I use Nutraplanet), I would recommend trying it before DMAA is gone forever (unless you don't like DMAA, in which case don't try it haha).

    I don't drink coffee or take in any stims except a fraction of a dose of the Maximize, so I can't say whether the effect is stronger. I actually was using some sample packets that I got with a NP order for almost a year before cracking the tub I bought, since one sample packet lasted me like 6 or 8 workouts. Now that I think about it, I usually take a week off every few weeks, so maybe it is just a bit of a tolerance.

    I don't think that is the cause of the insomnia, though, because it has never caused it before, but it could have been a combo of that and the AB or something else. There is no way to tell, but I can sleep again, which is the most important thing.

  18. Well, wedding pics are finished. It took about 14 hours from the time we left home today to the time we got back, and i spent the hottest hours of the day in a tuxedo in the sun (95 degrees today), but I am sure they will look great, as my fiancee could make pretty much any pic look good (even if I am in there, gooning it up!).

    I couldn't get to the gym today, or course, and will be spending tomorrow doing the same thing I did yesterday: moving furniture into my new house and packing...so I might not get to the gym again befor my AB runs out on Friday. Either way, I am down to about 82KG (possibly less), my lifts are all up, I feel great, even being this worn down, and I took some before/after pics (terrible lighting, but you can still see a difference). I will write up a formal final review and post those pics (as long as it is easy enough to do) around Friday. Time for some sleep; I earned it! Goodnight everybody!

    Best,
    Tyler

  19. Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42

    Yeah it is a good one. If they still have any left where you buy supps (I use Nutraplanet), I would recommend trying it before DMAA is gone forever (unless you don't like DMAA, in which case don't try it haha).

    I don't drink coffee or take in any stims except a fraction of a dose of the Maximize, so I can't say whether the effect is stronger. I actually was using some sample packets that I got with a NP order for almost a year before cracking the tub I bought, since one sample packet lasted me like 6 or 8 workouts. Now that I think about it, I usually take a week off every few weeks, so maybe it is just a bit of a tolerance.

    I don't think that is the cause of the insomnia, though, because it has never caused it before, but it could have been a combo of that and the AB or something else. There is no way to tell, but I can sleep again, which is the most important thing.
    Oh well now that you made it clear definitely not haha, but seems like you handled it with the PES reps!

  20. Dude, I gotta ask what exactly is in your av. Some kind of pesto ricotta pizza? I don't even know for sure what it is and it makes me hungry whenever I see it!

  21. Haha damn, you know your food pesto/basil (around in a circle), enriched organic wheat flour, organic tomato sauce, with mozzarella (low fat), and nah it's burrata ( mozzarella and cream). Super good and actually filling, sorta low cal depending on what type of ingredient you use.

  22. Mmm pizza
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  23. Yessir!! Delicious people need to eat more food! So I have some pizza in my avi

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    Yessir!! Delicious people need to eat more food! So I have some pizza in my avi
    Well, now that you changed your av, that conversation makes us look like crazy people, haha

  25. OK I have moved into my new place and I am ready to do my final review of this Anabeta run:

    First of all, as you could all see, I was able to drop 3 kgs in 4 weeks. This would not normally be anything to write home about, but I managed to drop that much weight while setting personal bests on several different exercises, as well as going up at least 10-15% on every exercise, compared to what I was doing before I started the AB run. I had doubts at the beginning as to whether or not AB could be used successfully for recomp, but obviously it can. Some other highlights:

    -I felt the AB kick in quickly. Within a day or two, I was feeling stronger, and by the end of the first week, I felt it in full force.
    -I kept feeling it strongly for the full run.
    -I was able to eat more carbs than I normally would while losing weight. It seems like AB has great nutrient repartitioning qualities.
    -I felt much more aggressive than usual.
    -No real increased hunger for me, or at least no unusual cravings for junk food while I was dieting. I did feel hungry, but I am always hungry anyway, so I was thankful that I wasn't craving food (especially sweets) 24/7
    -Extremely noticeable increase in muscle definition and vascularity, especially in my arms and back.
    -I think my arms actually got bigger (not just more cut) even though I was losing weight. My back also feels and looks bigger and thicker than it did at the beginning of the AB run.
    -If I took two AB before I lifted, I felt like an Animal when I got to the gym. Adding Pslin to this mix intensified it even more!

    Now for anything that was negative, or at least worth noting:

    -My sleep was disrupted if I took my last AB dose close to bedtime. It is worth noting that this is apparently not a common side effect of AB. I was also taking several other supplements, including a PWO with a lot of stims in it. That never caused the same kind of sleep disruption, but there could have been a synergistic effect. Either way, I would advise everyone to pay attention to their sleep quality and dose AB further from bedtime if they feel that sleep is affected.
    -I had a bit of acne on my back, but it also got much hotter in a very humid country while I was taking the AB, so this might not have been anything to do with the AB.
    -As many people have noted, you need to get enough carbs while taking AB. If you don't, you may start to feel a bit woozy and irritable, which is what happens to me. You don't need carbs with every pill, but if you go too long without eating any, you may start to feel like that. On the plus side, it seems like carbs really help you feel the effects of AB, and the AB seems to have nutrient repartitioning qualities (at least in me) so you can take in more carbs without getting fat (within reason).

    Overall, I was VERY happy with AB's usefulness for recomp, and would recommend it to everyone. Some ideas that I would love to try for the future include:

    -Running 2 bottles at 6 caps/day
    -Trying AB elite
    -Running AB with a full 30 pill run of pslin ( I found the few pills I had left halfway through and didn't take it every day), as the synergy there was awesome.

    I have some before/after pictures taken in reeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad lighting. I will post them later on tonight when my fiancee gets back with her cell phone (yeah...they are bad lighting pics from a cell phone...sorry).

    Best,
    Tyler
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